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[serge]

hello
can you tell me what you think of my snuff bottle
large size (12cm/10cm/3cm)
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[rpfstoneman]

Serge,

Your glass snuff bottle is modern.  It is an interior photo printed bottle (not hand painted) with a black background wash over the interior printed design.  This is a 'trinket', or what we often refer to as a tourist trade item.  These type of items are mass produced.

Charll   

[serge]

Serge,

Your glass snuff bottle is modern.  It is an interior photo printed bottle (not hand painted) with a black background wash over the interior printed design.  This is a 'trinket', or what we often refer to as a tourist trade item.  These type of items are mass produced.

Charll   
hello,
your comment surprises me: mass produced?
i have never seen one like this...
the bottle is made of a single piece (not glued)
bought in an antique fair
inform yourself before posting approximations I have been a collector for 15 years and I have never seen models like this
thank you for your comment

[George]

Charll is one of our longest and most experienced collectors.

I can tell you he does not need to be better informed.

Your bottle, like Charll tells, is a tourist bottle and not actually painted at all. But the maker used a photo process to create the images within the bottle. That is not an approximation but reality.

After you have been "seriously" collecting, even for a short time, you would recognize a bottle like this for what it is. Bottles like these are on ebay all the time for a few dollars.

[Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush]

Serge,
I have a certain idea about to which category belongs the people who in their first approach do not think that they should introduce themselves and behave as if everyone were at his own disposition.
And if that person writes without respecting punctuation, capital letters, does not resize photographs, etc., then my idea about him becomes certain as these are things denoting a lack of respect towards others.
So I am not at all surprised by the arrogance and rudeness with which you treated Charll.
You need to learn some education, don't you think so?
Regards,
Giovanni

[bambooforrest]

Serge, I agree with George and Giovanni. Your lack of respect to a seasoned collector concerns me....John

[serge]

I am Belgian and use a translator
my intervention is not to be unpleasant with anyone
I find that his comment lacks tact to say that it is a tourist snuffbox do you find that relevant?

[Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush]

What would you expect to hear if you post a low level tourist bottle, congratulations for having found an imperial bottle?
If you have a certain experience  on antiques in general, although not necessarly on snuff bottles, have a look at ebay and see the sold price for similar bottles, if sold.
Frankly, I am the less expert in this Forum about inside painted bottles, but I would not buy your bottle for 5 cent, and I am sure that I am not wrong.
Where is the problem in calling things with the proper name?
If it  was told to me, I would have thought "hey, I must open my eyes" and have made some search before saying what you said to Charll. That is the  way for learning.
Regards,
Giovanni

[serge]

Mr GiovaniMr
 I am still learning every day despite my 62 years
I am new to this site but have been collecting your words for 10 years
Your words belong to you I bought this snuffbox in an antiques fair in Namur from an English antiques dealer
So I find your words a little surprising but I am learning

[Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush]

Dear Serge,
then you have a long learning path to go through. Here in this Forum there are many threads discussing inside painted bottles; by reading them it is a good way to learn.
As I said, I can’t claim myself to be an expert on inside painted bottles, but it is not necessary a great skill to spot an old painting style from a modern one. Even if the painting in your bottle was not somehow printed, but hand made, as a person dealing with antiques for 10 years it should be immediately evident that it has no artistic merit at all. Do you see artistic merit there?
Scroll through the discussion threads here, look at the actions of the auction houses and you will train your eye.
Good luck.
Giovanni

[serge]

thank you for your comments that is what I will do with pleasure
and sorry for my lack of competence
i actually think that this snuffbox is from the republic period just that it intrigued me by its dimensions and these decorations, hence my question
i did not claim that it had value

[rpfstoneman]

All,

Not to worry.  I took no offence to Serge's comments on what he thought he had. 

Serge,

There is at least one thread on the Forum that discusses the process of photo imprinted bottles.  If you can not find this or similar threads here on the Forum, let us know and we'll provide the links.

Regardless welcome to the Forum.    We'll try to assist where we can.

Charll

[George]

This is a photo enhanced (photographic etching) bottle.

https://snuffbottle.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,25.msg37471.html#msg37471

Attached below is the process.

[serge]

thank you Charles
for your kindness and happy to be accepted on this forum
i will learn a lot of things

[joearp]

You can learn a great deal from many here who have years of experience and freely give of their knowledge.  I have a bottle similar to yours that was gifted to me when I first started collecting snuff bottles.  My recommendation is to keep it as a study example so you can compare to sharpen your eyes as you buy "better bottles".  In 2011 I attended my first International Snuff Bottle Convention in Palm Beach, Florida.  John Ford and Charll Stoneman both offered to look at what I brought to the convention in the spirit of trying to teach me about snuff bottles.  Both kind, wise men spent some time with me going over a dozen or so bottles that I had with me.  They were both quite kind to me as a new collector and gave me some pointers. I am so appreciative of them.  One thing I will never forget is John Ford told me to "buy better bottles".  I never forgot that and have been trying to do so since 2011.  Good luck to you as you collect these beautiful works of art. 

[forestman]

Hi Serge,

I first joined this forum thinking I had an inside painted bottle by a famous artist only to be told it was photo etched, it was a better example than yours in the "painting".

The script on the reverse of yours may be real, you can see a difference between it's depth of black to that of the "painting". These bottles can have a light reactive liquid painted to the inside of one face and an image shone through the bottle that then develops and forms inside the bottle. The script can then include the signature of a known artist and, to the unwary, can seem genuine.

Most are done on cheap bottles, yours is different in being done on a better bottle with a carved overlay although the glass, the size and shape are wrong for a genuine old bottle.

I haven't been collecting for long compared to many on this forum but even the most experienced here are still learning about what is a fascinating subject matter.

[serge]

thanks for your comments
i think like you the size and the shape and the decorations intrigue me
that's why i let myself be tempted
for me i find it special that's what counts