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Joey Silver / Si Zhouyi 義周司
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« Reply #220 on: February 20, 2024, 05:42:07 pm »
See what you mean, John.
So what can you say about it?
Style, quality of carving, and possible dating.
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« Reply #221 on: February 21, 2024, 08:09:54 am »
Joey, I would say the style, carving and color of the glass point to a mid 19th century dating. Probably a similar dating with this turquoise green overlay on clear bubble glass [66mm]. From an auction in 2006.

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« Reply #222 on: February 21, 2024, 06:52:35 pm »
OK. Thanks.
Yes I can see that dating for both.
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« Reply #223 on: February 21, 2024, 08:41:22 pm »
Quote from: bambooforrest on February 21, 2024, 08:09:54 am
Probably a similar dating with this turquoise green overlay on clear bubble glass [66mm]. From an auction in 2006.

Lovely bottle !
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« Reply #224 on: February 22, 2024, 01:06:27 am »
Hi John & all

I refer to the round dot on the leaping carp bottle in Post #210.

While Charll is not wrong to suggest that it is a drop of water, Chinese art usually does not realistically present its subject.

In traditional Chinese art, every element in the design serves a purpose and usually has a hidden meaning.

In this case, the round object is a pearl.

According to the legend of the carp leaping over Long Men to turn into a dragon, this motif depicts this process.

The carp throws out a precious pearl while struggling to leap over the gate. The pearl is considered a rare and precious object and is also auspicious. Therefore, coupled with the good wishes for success, the pearl represents an auspicious greeting.

For your reference.

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« Reply #225 on: February 22, 2024, 10:59:28 am »
Richard, thanks for the info on the carp throwing out the precious pearl. I had no idea. This next bottle [61mm] shows precious objects. Maybe Richard can elaborate. From an internet auction in 2005.

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« Reply #226 on: February 22, 2024, 01:04:13 pm »

John, I like this bottle.  Very clean with easily seen details and crisp design.  Charll
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« Reply #227 on: February 22, 2024, 02:13:58 pm »
Very nice example, John.
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« Reply #228 on: February 23, 2024, 10:02:59 am »
Quote from: richy88 on February 22, 2024, 01:06:27 am


In this case, the round object is a pearl.

According to the legend of the carp leaping over Long Men to turn into a dragon, this motif depicts this process.

The carp throws out a precious pearl while struggling to leap over the gate. The pearl is considered a rare and precious object and is also auspicious. Therefore, coupled with the good wishes for success, the pearl represents an auspicious greeting.

For your reference.

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Richard


Thank you Richard !
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« Reply #229 on: February 23, 2024, 11:04:00 am »
Charll and Joey, thanks for the comments. I think it is one of the better examples, not over crowded and well carved. This next bottle [63mm] features plum and a butterfly. The bottom also carved with plum flowers. From an auction in 2013.

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« Reply #230 on: February 23, 2024, 04:02:56 pm »
Dear John,

   I prefer this bottle to the previous one,
though it is also very well made.
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« Reply #231 on: February 23, 2024, 10:37:27 pm »
Hi John

The motif on the previous bottle is known as Bogutu (博古图) which usually features a collection of scholarly objects and antiques.

The earliest painting of this subject was from the Northern Song Dynasty when Emperor Song Huizhong (宋徽宗) instructed his Imperial Art Academy to paint a series of thirty paintings to record his collection of antiques consisting of bronzes, porcelain, jades and stones.

For your reference.

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« Reply #232 on: February 24, 2024, 01:46:01 pm »
Richard, thanks for the information. Would this example [73mm] also be considered Bogutu ?

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« Reply #233 on: February 24, 2024, 07:39:25 pm »
Thank you, Richard. I've copied the info on Bogutu for my cataloguing.
I've a number of bottles with this subject.
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« Reply #234 on: February 24, 2024, 07:41:39 pm »
John,

   I'd take a wild guess and say that it is also 'Bogutu'.

Richard,

    Is the third character a simplified version of 'Tu' [picture]?
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« Reply #235 on: February 24, 2024, 10:20:05 pm »
Hi John & Joey

Yes, it is.

Joey, the character is a simplified Chinese character for Tu. The original traditional Chinese character is 圖.

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« Reply #236 on: February 25, 2024, 06:31:02 am »
Thank you, Richard.
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« Reply #237 on: February 25, 2024, 08:08:21 am »
Richard, thanks for the confirmation. This next example [54mm] is not an overlay but an applique. Very slight traces of glue. I wish I knew how they did this. I am thinking Guangxu

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« Reply #238 on: February 27, 2024, 08:03:32 am »
Another unusual example with the 8 Trigrams [72mm]. Even the fish scales are reversed. From an internet auction in 2009.

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« Reply #239 on: February 27, 2024, 02:30:43 pm »
Quote from: bambooforrest on February 25, 2024, 08:08:21 am
Richard, thanks for the confirmation. This next example [54mm] is not an overlay but an applique. Very slight traces of glue. I wish I knew how they did this. I am thinking Guangxu

John,

   I also have an 'appliqué' glass snuff bottle,
but of the much more common type with flower heads,
and connected to each other with 'threads' of glass.
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