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« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2022, 02:27:42 pm »

Another simple but beautiful bottle, John.
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« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2022, 11:10:15 pm »

John,

All these unadorned bottles you are posting are wonderful.
'Shibui' is right up my street, aesthetically speaking...!

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« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2022, 07:00:55 am »

John,

All these unadorned bottles you are posting are wonderful.
'Shibui' is right up my street, aesthetically speaking...!

Tom

Dear Tom, 

    A mixed metaphor, but OK.
I understand what you mean... Roll Eyes Shocked Grin
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« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2022, 01:43:59 pm »

Tom and Joey, I have read many times to "let the material speak for itself". This next bottle has a more interesting shape but I wish the hollowing was better [72mm]. It came from a local auction in 2018.


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« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2022, 02:20:39 pm »

John,

    A beautiful material, and the double gourd shape is elegant,
but when lit from behind one sees it is not, as you remarked,
well enough hollowed out.
Now, not lit from behind, it is not so noticeable.
But filled with brown snuff, one would again, clearly see
the unimpressive hollowing.
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« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2022, 01:31:22 pm »

The next bottle [49mm] is a true floater. The bottle has a raised foot-rim and a interior star crack from the extreme hollowing.


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« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2022, 02:45:35 pm »

The hollowing is amazing.  I wonder if bottles are often broken when they are hollowed to this degree?
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« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2022, 06:35:24 pm »

Jo,

   I'd have thought that a lot were,
which is why not that many bottles with hollowing this fine survive.
My dear friends the Hunters [Neal & Frances both of blessed memory],
who moved from Ohio to Southern California during the Depression,
lost two fine bottles.
One, a really fine ruby red overlay on milk glass, cracked when a fellow collector,
whose hand was cold from holding a really cold beer, caused the outer layer to
get much colder than the inner layer. This caused the bottle to crack.
The second was a really well hollowed out chalcedony with a tightly corked stopper,
which they'd bought in NYC. They then flew back to LAX, and the difference in air pressure
between the cabin and that inside the bottle, supposedly caused it to crack.
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« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2022, 01:37:21 pm »

Jo and Joey, I have at least a dozen bottles with interior cracks. I think this is fairly common because of the hollowing and changes in temperature. The next bottle is interesting [50mm], the material changes about a third of the way through the bottle. There are still dendrites on both sides. From an auction in 2013.


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« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2022, 01:54:42 pm »

That is a very interesting material, John.
Re. star cracks in snuff bottle walls due to hollowing;
I have seen a few examples which were sent to France and had match-strikers
mounted on the base and a starburst design inset with gems inset into the wall
to cover the star crack.
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« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2022, 07:27:33 pm »

That would be interesting to see Joey. Thanks for your comment John about the bottles with interior cracks.  Would love to see an example of that too. 
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« Reply #51 on: November 16, 2022, 07:14:14 am »

Dear Jo,

    I've never owned one of those.
I will look on the internet.
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« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2022, 01:37:42 pm »

Jo, one of my very fine shadow agate bottles with foo lion, bat and goose with French silver mounts. The star crack can be seen in the 2nd and 3rd photos [56mm].


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« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2022, 02:04:40 pm »

Dear John, very nice.
I like so much these bottles transformed into cigarette lighters by Maquet and other companies.
I have three of them. Despite being these lighters common at the time, I have not been able to find a description of how they work. Does anybody know that?
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« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2022, 02:28:33 pm »

Very beautiful John.  Thanks for pointing out the star crack. 
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« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2022, 04:19:26 pm »

Dear Giovanni,

     I was under the impression that one held the stopper in one hand,
the upside down bottle in the other hand, and struck the 'stick end' of the stopper
through the track going lengthwise through the metal base.
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« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2022, 06:34:13 am »

Dear  Joey,  that  is what  I  did  try several  times,  but no sparks or else.  And  there  is a sort of cotton inside these bottles.
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« Reply #57 on: November 17, 2022, 01:27:40 pm »

Giovanni, I did a seminar on my 15 lighter conversions at the Philly ICSBS meeting in 2019. The bottom of the lighters had a steel grate for striking the flint. Out of my 15 bottles this is the only one left with the grate [enclosed]. A wrapping with a flammable material [gasoline] would be wrapped near the flint [last photo].


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« Reply #58 on: November 17, 2022, 04:19:14 pm »

Dear John,

    Thank you. Your description is much more accurate than mine.
The only times I almost bought one, were in 1980 from Manheim
Galleries in New Orleans, just before the 1980 ICSBS New Orleans convention;
and from my good friend Robyn Turner, when she was still in NYC, in 2000.
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« Reply #59 on: November 18, 2022, 02:11:05 am »

Dear John, thank you very much.  Your example is the only one that I have seen with the grate.  Now I understand, although I do not see how to insert the flint stone when it is completely worn, but that is just a detail, may be the stones was enchased with some sort of glue.
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