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« Reply #240 on: January 17, 2023, 10:16:34 pm »

All,

We've discussed this 'pillowing cloud' (Botryoidal) effect before which occurs in the formation of a number of minerals, ex., malachite, smithsonite, hematite, chalcedony. etc. 

Botryoidal minerals form when many nearby nuclei, specks of sand, dust, or other particles, are present. Acicular or fibrous crystals grow radially around the nuclei at the same rate, appearing as spheres. Eventually, these spheres abut or overlap with those that are nearby.

Charll

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« Reply #241 on: January 19, 2023, 12:40:58 pm »
Charll, you of course are correct. The next bottle [58mm] has the typical cloud "Botryoidal" pattern. The interior is well hollowed, nice foot and handles. From an internet auction in 2010.

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« Reply #242 on: January 20, 2023, 03:09:46 pm »
Dear Charll,

    You are of course correct, but 'cloudy' is easier to write than "Botryoidal" ... Roll Eyes Shocked Grin
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« Reply #243 on: January 21, 2023, 08:16:51 am »
The next bottle [53mm] has banding and dark inclusions. It is very well hollowed and has nice handles. From Bonham's S.F. in 2009.

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« Reply #244 on: January 21, 2023, 10:02:37 am »
Another really nice agate bottle John.
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« Reply #245 on: January 21, 2023, 12:21:28 pm »
Jo, thanks for the reply. This next bottle [53mm] is another of moonflask shape. Typical cloud pattern and very well hollowed. This shape feels very good in the hand. From an auction in 2016.

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« Reply #246 on: January 21, 2023, 05:43:50 pm »
John,

    Both of your last two posted bottles are beauties,
but I prefer the second one.
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« Reply #247 on: January 22, 2023, 01:13:51 pm »
Hello,
I bought this bottle few months ago at a French auctions, in agate, not large, nice shape and very pleasant to hold. It seems well hollowed. I would like to be sure of its age. Can we consider that it is old? Yes or not and,
 Why  Smiley
Last one looks like similar.
Thanks

Thomas

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« Reply #248 on: January 26, 2023, 08:11:08 am »
Thomas, I have been trying to find a picture of a bottle I bought a couple of years ago. I think it is similar to yours. This is modern but very good work....John

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« Reply #249 on: January 26, 2023, 08:45:36 am »
Quote from: Solid_Snake on January 22, 2023, 01:13:51 pm
Hello,
I bought this bottle few months ago at a French auctions, in agate, not large, nice shape and very pleasant to hold. It seems well hollowed. I would like to be sure of its age. Can we consider that it is old? Yes or not and,
 Why  Smiley
Last one looks like similar.
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Thomas

Hi Thomas,

From the photographs I would say your bottle is from the 1800s - probably somewhere between 1800 and 1880.
Is it well hollowed and smooth inside?

Tom
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« Reply #250 on: January 27, 2023, 05:18:56 am »
Hello John, Hello Tom (sorry Google translate fault)
Thans for your answer.
John, thanks for shared yours.

Tom, yes "well hollowed" I think (you can see it in exterior photo) and smooth inside.
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« Reply #251 on: January 27, 2023, 08:43:16 am »
Dear all,
I am finding the decoration of this bottle very strange.
There is the three-legged toad, but then what about the figure? In theory he should be Liu Hai; but with that face, looking so modern in style?
Giovanni
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« Reply #252 on: January 27, 2023, 10:26:41 am »
Hello Giovanni,
This one attached from the Bloch collection labeled 18th/19h from Sotheby's.
Best
T

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« Reply #253 on: January 27, 2023, 11:33:38 am »

Thomas,

The stone bottle you pick up from a French auction looks exceptional to me.  Age I'll defer to Tom's estimate as stated above.  What's exceptional is the stone carver created the design as a subtle indentation cameo cut into the bottle.  The design is well balanced, centered, and elegant.  I would have assisted this bottle to be 19th century as based off the photo's and hollowing. 

Next thing to assess is the hollowing itself.  Is the interior:

1) Uniformly hollowed, smooth, and polished, or

2) Uniformly hollowed, smoothed, but left unpolished, or

3) Well hollowed with good uniformity, but as has visible drill marks and/or grinding striations.   

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« Reply #254 on: January 27, 2023, 11:50:17 am »
Dear Thomas,
you and Tom and Charll are right. After posting my post above, I have found a bottle in the book of the collection of the V&A Museum carved with a figure with the same style of face.
Congratulations.
Giovanni
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« Reply #255 on: January 30, 2023, 07:20:06 am »
This next example [60mm] is very well hollowed, has nice handles and a small raised carved footrim. From an auction in 2018.

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« Reply #256 on: January 30, 2023, 10:34:32 am »
Nice one John.

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« Reply #257 on: January 30, 2023, 03:45:32 pm »
I love these, John.
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Joey
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« Reply #258 on: February 08, 2023, 12:29:33 pm »
A nice small bottle [55mm] from the Morris Lesser Collection I purchased in 2009.

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« Reply #259 on: February 08, 2023, 04:29:35 pm »
Yet another beauty, John.
Impressive.
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