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« on: June 09, 2021, 08:49:13 pm »

Is this the best book for Suo Zhenhai ?

The description for this particular book tells that it is not just about him, that there are many other bottle mediums within as well.

Is there a book solely dedicated to just him and examples of his paintings somewhere that members can recommend ?
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2021, 12:00:36 am »


George,

That is the only collection book that I'm aware of that is in English.  Yes it is entirely Suo Zhenhai works in the Mike Ma collection.  It is likely the best book with Zhenhai's biography and painting style discussions.  Mike Ma has another book of the collection with great illustrations, but it is entirely in Chinese.

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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2021, 12:09:33 am »


George,

That is the only collection book that I'm aware of that is in English.  Yes it is entirely Suo Zhenhai works in the Mike Ma collection.  It is likely the best book with Zhenhai's biography and painting style discussions.  Mike Ma has another book of the collection with great illustrations, but it is entirely in Chinese.

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Ok, thank you Charll.. Ordered it, and looking forward to receiving it  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2021, 01:49:40 am »

Dear George,

    I agree with Charll. The intro suggests all sorts of extraneous material, but that is misleading.
it is a superb catalogue of Suo Zhenhai, and catalogues not just his genuine signed works,
but even a section on bottles he signed with fake Middle Period snuff bottle artists' names, like Zhou Leyuan,
etc. Which is good for documenting Chinese art history.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2021, 02:16:30 am »

Dear George,

    I agree with Charll. The intro suggests all sorts of extraneous material, but that is misleading.
it is a superb catalogue of Suo Zhenhai, and catalogues not just his genuine signed works,
but even a section on bottles he signed with fake Middle Period snuff bottle artists' names, like Zhou Leyuan,
etc. Which is good for documenting Chinese art history.
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Joey

Thank you Joey !

The idea that he would sign with Middle period artist seems like it might be solely for recognition or respect for those artists rather than being intentionally misleading..  Look forward to getting the book.. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2021, 04:59:05 am »


Is this the best book for Suo Zhenhai ?


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I concur with what others have said. It's a great book.
I am just a little puzzled by the link, which takes me to the Chinese edition in 'paperback'...?

The edition I have is dual language, most definitely hardback, and comes complete with a slipcase.

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Is this the best book for Suo Zhenhai ?


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I concur with what others have said. It's a great book.
I am just a little puzzled by the link, which takes me to the Chinese edition in 'paperback'...?

The edition I have is dual language, most definitely hardback, and comes complete with a slipcase.

Tom

Yes, I noticed the softcover description.. I am just guessing for what ever reason, it is a mistake. It says Published Date: December 2011 and 270 pages.  Is this the same as everyone's hard copies?
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2021, 06:28:09 am »

Yes, that is the one.
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2021, 01:53:43 pm »

Yes, that is the one.

I double checked with the seller and he did say it is a hardcover in slip case..

Thanks for the help all Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2021, 04:47:44 pm »

Great book.  I think you will be very happy to add this one to your library. 
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2021, 06:09:14 pm »

Dear George,

    I met Mike Ma and saw his Suo Zhenhai collection including the falsely marked bottles faking Middle Period bottles.
This was in Hong Kong during the exhibition of his collection in the Chinese University of Hong Kong in 2014, I believe.
I asked someone there who was knowledgeable, about the ones painted to look antique and signed with assorted names in the collection.
Were they an homage or intentionally painted as fakes as a way to get more money.
 I was told that Suo Zhenhai confessed that he'd painted them AS fakes to get money when he needed the money.
Towards the end of the catalogue, you'll find them, described 'as an homage'....
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 I was told that Suo Zhenhai confessed that he'd painted them AS fakes to get money when he needed the money.
Towards the end of the catalogue, you'll find them, described 'as an homage'....
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That is just so very sad to hear.. Sad
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2021, 11:52:15 pm »

Don't hold it against the artist. It's a sad reflection of just how little money the artists actually make from their inside painted bottles.

I bought my first SZH bottle without knowing who the artist was for US$250 at an exhibition of VMIP bottles at Beijing Airport in 2005.
I bought another at the same place a few months later for US$100, because it was signed using his pen name Yi Shi, and the sales girl didn't know it was SZH...!

Sadly, he passed away the following year. But I only learned this (and that Yi Shi is SZH) from reading Mike Ma's book 5 years later.

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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2021, 03:49:45 am »

Hi Tom & all

I agreed that it is difficult for 'full-time' artists to make a living, especially in China with such strong competition.

Many artists work part time or resort to other art form (such as commercial painting) in order to survive.

From what I know, Suo Zhenhai was a cancer patient before his passing. His medical bills must be a huge burden for him and his family.

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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2021, 02:32:29 pm »

Dear George, Richard, Tom, and others,

    Both Richard & Tom are correct.
Suo Zhenhai had cancer and did not have sufficient 'connections' to get the level of cancer care in the "Peoples' Republic of China" that say a high cadre of the CCP, and thus much better 'connected', would have got.
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