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« on: January 11, 2020, 09:01:16 pm »

Here's an interesting bottle from the collection. I have no idea who the artist is so I'd love any insight that could be shared.

Front appears to show a scene from the famous Chinese epic Journey to the West. Tang Sanzang ("Tripitaka"; a monk) is accompanied by Zhu Bajie ("Pigsy") and Shu Wujing ("Sandy"). On the back is Sun Wukong ("Monkey King") being chased from the Water Curtain Cave by the Demon King of Confusion. That's my read at least, please correct me if I'm wrong. Story seems fascinating, I'll have to do more reading.

I have included a pic of my Grandpa's index card to give a little more background. He didn't have Wikipedia. Researching this stuff is so much easier now. Haha.

Brian


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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2020, 09:19:39 pm »

I wonderful bottle and I really like it a lot Brian !

I really hope someone can translate the script for you. It is signed by the artist.. Looking forward to learning more.

The photographs show a tint of yellow to the bottle so it may be lead crystal.
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2020, 09:37:33 pm »

The photographs show a tint of yellow to the bottle so it may be lead crystal.

Thanks George. And that's an interesting observation. Does leaded crystal always show hints of yellow, or only after aging?

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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2020, 10:10:23 pm »

The photographs show a tint of yellow to the bottle so it may be lead crystal.

Thanks George. And that's an interesting observation. Does leaded crystal always show hints of yellow, or only after aging?

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I believe always, but lets wait to have others confirm that for you.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2020, 01:21:59 am »

Dear George and Brian,
I have nothing to say about the bottle because I know nothing about IP bottles.
I would just note that the yellowish tint must be due to a not accurate camera’s White Balance setting.
This is visible by the white paper, that is not really white, and also by the dark grey background, which too has a tinge.
The White Balance setting is not matching the colour of the light source.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2020, 09:19:31 am »

Giovanni,

The index card and the bottle pictures were taken at two different times and places. The bottle was taken in a lightbox at 5500K with a little exposure correcting. The colors should be darn near accurate.

Update: I actually looked at the photos in Lightroom again and the white balance was just a hair too far on the yellow side, so I have updated all of the photos. Good catch!

Brian
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2020, 08:57:18 pm »

Curious if anyone else has anything they can tell me about the artist of this bottle.
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2020, 06:30:07 am »

Dear Brian,

    Giovanni, rarely, if ever, makes a mistake in a technological issue like this.
Which I think makes him despair of ever helping a Luddite like me get more tech savvy.
Although I don't think I'll ever be as stupid as the woman who complained to Apple that her coffeecup holder wasn't strong enough (she meant the disk insert mechanism!).
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Giovanni,

The index card and the bottle pictures were taken at two different times and places. The bottle was taken in a lightbox at 5500K with a little exposure correcting. The colors should be darn near accurate.

Update: I actually looked at the photos in Lightroom again and the white balance was just a hair too far on the yellow side, so I have updated all of the photos. Good catch!

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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2020, 08:22:46 am »

Dear Joey,
you make me bush😊
Dear Brian, I have not understood completely what you meant, because I do not use any photo editor at all. I may be wrong, but I do not rely in principle on a software that can correct the white balance with absolute certainty. It must be judged from the user I think, hence subjective. Or, if it does it automatically, how can it know for sure the color temperature of the light involved, without a reference? BTW I may be wrong.
In any case, in my opinion setting the White Balance on place by means of a white or neutral grey paper is absolutely sure and extremely quick, so I prefer that and always do it.
In any case, we see that the glass of your bottle is indeed colorless; there are some yellowish tinge that it is due to the decoration.
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2020, 09:29:30 am »

Dear Joey,
you make me bush😊 [Blush?]
 
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2020, 09:53:32 am »

Dear Joey,
you make me bush😊
Dear Brian, I have not understood completely what you meant, because I do not use any photo editor at all. I may be wrong, but I do not rely in principle on a software that can correct the white balance with absolute certainty. It must be judged from the user I think, hence subjective. Or, if it does it automatically, how can it know for sure the color temperature of the light involved, without a reference? BTW I may be wrong.
In any case, in my opinion setting the White Balance on place by means of a white or neutral grey paper is absolutely sure and extremely quick, so I prefer that and always do it.
In any case, we see that the glass of your bottle is indeed colorless; there are some yellowish tinge that it is due to the decoration.
Kind regards
Giovanni


Hi Giovanni,
Ideally, I would have had a professional camera where I could have locked down exposure and ensured proper white balance with a reference card. Alas, I only had 1.5 hours to take pictures of roughly 100 bottles and it was at my parent's house where I had none of my photographic equipment. And that was six pictures for each bottle, so I only had 1 minute or so per bottle! So speed was definitely a priority. I just used my iPhone to take the pictures in the little photo box I bought my father for Christmas. Unfortunately, that meant that each photo that I took had its own exposure, which can effect the color balance. I had to tweak all of the photos "by hand". Not ideal, but at least I have photos of everything now.
Brian
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2020, 10:33:35 am »

Dear Brian,
a sort of emergency situation! You did very well considering the situation. My one was of course a general comment.
Dear Joey, you are right, blush; bush is another thing Grin
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