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« on: December 28, 2019, 11:22:51 am »

Dear all,

I wanted to have your opinion on that two figures, one representing according the seller Li Bai and the other a calligrapher ...
The signature seems "special" to my eyes ..
My guess is mid to late XXth ?
Heigh : 6 cm / 2.36 in

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Yannick 


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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2019, 01:52:01 pm »

Hi Yannick.

I can not help, so hopefully another member will be able to.

I would suggest the second figure may be meant to represent a scholar/Literati, and I think your correct about late 20th.
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2019, 12:26:42 am »

Hi Yannick,

The first figure appears to depict a drunken scholar. Li Bai was a brilliant poet of the 8th century, who was known to enjoy the odd cup of wine. But, other than that, there is nothing specifically linking him to the figure, unless the accompanying script makes such reference.

Unfortunately I cannot read Chinese, so look forward to one of our Chinese members explaining the calligraphy.
Same goes for the second figure.

Sorry I cannot be more helpful.

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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2019, 02:13:58 am »

Hi,

Thank you for your kind help.
I have found representations of drunken Li Bai. A shiwan figure in the National museum of Taïland show a drunken Li Bai sleeping on a wine jar dreaming with a smile, so I think it is still a possibility, don't you?

Hope the translation of the inscription, if possible, will help!

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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2019, 03:58:10 am »

Hi Yannick,

Most humorously inclined representations of Li Bai show him holding a wine cup, or having a wine jar close by. I have a carved agate snuff bottle with just such a scene. These 'attributes' make it clear who the figure is without the need for words.

In the case of your bottle I'm guessing the inscription will confirm his identity.

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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2020, 02:07:49 am »

I have not yet found a drunken Li Bai with a coloquinte or pumpkin, just a jar. So maybe it isn't him.
What about the artist name?

Happy new year to all !
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2020, 02:56:07 am »


What about the artist name?



I don't think the signature is legible enough for anyone to make out.. But I think it is safe to say that in this case, even if the artist name could be identified, it would not add any value to the bottle that I am pretty sure is late 20th century.
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2020, 03:51:26 am »

Thank you George for your explanation. So the topic should be moved in the Very Modern section?

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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2020, 10:29:29 am »

Thank you George for your explanation. So the topic should be moved in the Very Modern section?

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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2020, 08:38:14 am »

Thanks George, now wait to see..   Wink
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2020, 05:01:40 am »

Hi Yannick,

The subjects of your bottle should be Li Bai on one side and Huai Su on the other. Both were people of the Tang dynasty and they knew each other. Huai Su was a monk who taught himself calligraphy. He was so poor that he could not afford any materials for practice, so he often used huge banana leaves as the medium for practicing. I will send a photo of a Chinese painting depicting this when i download it.

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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2020, 05:07:51 am »

Painting re Huai Su

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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2020, 11:45:14 am »

Very interesting Inn Bokn I think you nailed them !

Thank tyou very much !
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2020, 11:11:15 pm »

You are welcome, Yannick.
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