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« on: December 26, 2019, 03:29:09 pm »

Not nearly as exciting as Tom's beautiful soapstone boulder carving, but thought this an interesting seal made from a Yak horn.

No idea if this may have been used for specific documents, personal, contracts, a shop of some sort, art related, etc..  If someone can make out the seal script it might give an idea.. Would really be nice to know.

I do not know how old it might be, but I get the sense that it was handled and used quite a bit in it's day.







 
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2019, 03:38:53 am »

Interesting seal George.

Look forward to one of our Chinese members translating the seal script.

By the way, how do you know it is yak bone? Could the material be horn rather than bone?

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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2019, 04:04:51 am »



By the way, how do you know it is yak bone? Could the material be horn rather than bone?

Tom


The only way I could was to compare to other horn examples.. It does not seem to match any other types of horn except for possibly rhinoceros horn ? So I actually do not know for sure Smiley

Also, you are right Tom.. I originally wrote "bone", when I should have labeled "horn", and have changed the title..

 
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2019, 06:01:29 am »

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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2019, 08:09:26 am »

Dear George,

    It could well be Rhino horn. There are many Rhino horn libation cups, from as early as the Ming period [that I know of; there might be earlier examples].
It looks like a really nice, functional object.
I love those.
Best,
Shabbat Shalom, and Happy Hanuka,
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2020, 04:28:11 am »

George,

I missed out this post of yours.


If i remember correctly, Rhino horn is made up of hair fibres, so the cross section should show black dots.
Does your horn seal show some of this trails ?


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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2020, 04:48:36 am »

George,

I missed out this post of yours.


If i remember correctly, Rhino horn is made up of hair fibres, so the cross section should show black dots.
Does your horn seal show some of this trails ?


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I can see dots on the top only, because the fibres run length wise. Also, there is a small hole on the face of the stamp where I can see the rhino horn keratin fibres inside.

I have also learned recently that the seal can be read, ying kui bai yin 英魁白印 , "The seal of Ying Kuibar"
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2020, 04:28:57 pm »

The same seller listed another one of these rhino horn seals so I grabbed it.


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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2020, 07:54:12 pm »

Wow George! On a roll you are... 

I am starting to like these seals too.  You are rubbing off on me here.
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2020, 11:38:08 pm »

Hi George,

Good find - congratulations!

I assume the topic title 'yak horn' is a euphemism for rhino horn.

I have a beautiful Thai hand-crafted folding knife which has a jet black horn handle. The maker described it to me as being buffalo horn. 
I think yak horn is not dissimilar to buffalo horn, neither of which has a structure like rhino horn.

Your seals definitely look a lot more like rhino horn.

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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2020, 03:21:32 am »



I assume the topic title 'yak horn' is a euphemism for rhino horn.



It was not until later into the thread that I learned of that first seal being rhino..
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2020, 07:55:26 am »

Nice George!

Any idea of the translation?

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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2020, 08:06:26 am »

Hey everybody,

Here's a seal I just came across, so I'll share it on this thread:
Any translation help would be greatly appreciated, and also, I'm
curious as to why there are two seals in this ivory container?

Cheers,

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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2020, 09:11:32 am »

Very cool seal and folding case Rube ! 

I can not answer why the two seals, but it would seem because of the way the ivory case opens and closes, it was likely meant to be carried in pocket and thus used quite often. Personable enough that it would not be a surprise to learn that when translated it tells of a family name.  Just a guess...

No, I do not know what my seal reads. I have only been able to try and use water color to stamp from, and that is not working good enough for a chance at translating it.  Think I need actual seal paste..
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2020, 06:23:05 pm »

Dear Rube,

    Very interesting objects!
Thank you for showing them.
The reason for multiple seals, is very simple.
A person will have more than one seal, especially if Literati.
He  or she will have a regular seal  X Y Z Yin [Seal {of} XYZ].
A formal name seal.
A Hao seal.
Etc.
I have a number, myself. One says, 'Si Zhouyi Yin' ["Seal {of} Joey Silver" {'Si' is my Chinese surname, while 'Zhouyi' is my given name ].
Another seal says, 'Si Yin' ["Seal {of} Silver"].
If the person had an official post, they may well have had yet another seal.
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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2020, 08:01:58 am »

Joey,

Of course you have your own seal!
Thanks for the explanation,

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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2020, 03:59:35 pm »

Dear Rube,

    I'd be amazed if anyone with an interest in Asian Art who'd been to the PRC, had NOT bought a seal or five,
and had them engraved with his or her 'Chinese name'.  And many others, besides! Roll Eyes Grin

I started studying Chinese Language in 1979 at the Hebrew University Jerusalem, and my teacher was Shikman Taitai [Mrs. Shikman].
She had the class list, and made up a 'Chinese name' for each of us.
We were given a beautifully hand-inscribed paper in Kaishu [standard Chinese script], with the Pinyin transliteration below,
and a translation of the name on the back.

Shikman Taitai was herself the daughter of a Russian Jewish refugee in Beijing married to a Chinese lady, and married to Mr. Shikman.
They and their daughter Tzvia got out after a year of hell during the start of the Cultural Revolution, and fled to Australia in 1967.
She and their daughter were officially converted to Judaism, and then the three arrived in Israel, where first she, and then Zvia,
taught Chinese language in  Hebrew U.

So I came to the PRC with a Chinese name and knowing how to write it in Kaishu, on my first visit, in Oct.1988.
When I got my group of seals, EVERY place we visited had a shop selling stuff, including seals. With a carver who would
transliterate your name into Chinese with [hopefully] 'positive' characters, while you waited.

In the lobby of the Shanghai Hilton, where we stayed in Shanghai [it had just opened]. At the Silk factory in Suzhou.
At the Scholar's Garden in Suzhou. At the Forbidden City in Beijing.  At the Great Wall, north of Beijing.
At the Museum of Qin Shi Huangdi in Xian. At the Diaouyutai [Angler's Rest Guest House], where I stayed in Beijing after I returned from Xian.
Etc., etc. 

I started with one, thinking I'd not want any more, and spent a little more than I'd intended [OK, a lot more than I'd intended!],
on a plain seal made of 'Chicken Blood' Soapstone. I bought this one on my second day in the PRC, in one of the Shanghai Hilton shops.

I knew about the material from the SUPERB Yongzheng Imperial  Yuzhi mark & period [1723-1735]
Chicken Blood Soapstone SB in the late Y.F. Yang's personal collection.
I have coveted that SB since first I'd seen it, in 1981 at the Honolulu convention.

But in Suzhou, I saw a carved soapstone seal I like, and much cheaper, and bought it.
And in Wuxi, I bought another one. And in Nanjing, yet another.
I'm not sure if I've got 5 or 6. Most are in Seal [a type of Archaic] script.
But at least one is in Kaishu. And all are in different sizes.
The 'Chicken Blood' one is quite small - it costs by the gram!
And I have one that just says 'Yin' [Seal] and another, with 'Hao' [Good].

Best,
Joey



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