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« Reply #40 on: June 14, 2022, 11:39:13 am »

Dear Charll,
Nice bottle.
Dear Tom, agree with you about Birch burlwood. When I was a boy, my parents had the complete furniture of the bed room (four doors wardrobe, bed, bedside tables, chest of drawers, dressing table and even the stool of the dressing table), all veneered with birch briar. I remember that at the time I was quite attracted by its blonde color and the myriad of bird eyes on the chatoyancy background. It was spectacular at my boys eyes. I don't remember how nor where all it ended up.
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« Reply #41 on: June 14, 2022, 12:28:37 pm »


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Has the base been removed for hollowing?

John, well upon initial inspection of the bottle base and of the interior bottom you would not think so because there are no visible seaming. However, the wood grain pattern does not flow from foot rim across the base to the other side of the foot rim.  The pattern is different, so the bottom is a plug, and a nicely done job to mask any seams at that.

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« Reply #42 on: June 14, 2022, 12:47:15 pm »

Dear Charll,
how strange, due to the soft nature of the wood which makes it easier to hollow.
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« Reply #43 on: June 14, 2022, 01:01:16 pm »

Charll, I thought I saw a small seam in your last photo....John
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« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2022, 11:45:26 pm »


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How strange, due to the soft nature of the wood which makes it easier to hollow.

Giovanni, yes wood is easier to carve or hollow in the case of a snuff bottle.  The problem through a small hole is to achieve a smooth hard finish, and then possibly seal/wax the interior uniformly.  Interior finishing of wood is much easier to achieved though a larger opening such as a base plug, or as done in halves as illustrated by a previous bottle I've shown. 

I'll seen a lot of wood bottles where the hollowing was only done through the mouth.  Most of those have rough fibrous interiors and are only functional as 'cabinet' pieces.   

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« Reply #45 on: June 15, 2022, 08:21:13 am »

Dear Charll, thank you, it makes sense.
It is surely easier to polish an hard surface than a fibrous one, by rotating tools.
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« Reply #46 on: June 16, 2022, 01:47:09 am »

I have never inspected the inside of my wood bottles.
Now you have piqued my interest. I will have to get them out to take a look.  Shocked

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« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2022, 11:58:00 am »

This is the best of my burlwood bottles.[65mm] Nice patina and wear to the surface featuring deer,crane,pine and fungus. I checked the interior and there is a smooth surface. If anyone knows the type of wood please share....John


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« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2022, 04:52:54 am »

Dear John,

    Wonderful bottle!
Sorry, I can't identify the type of burlwood.
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« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2022, 05:08:50 am »

John,

It's possible that your bottle has darkened due to staining or patina.
If you can imagine the wood being a little lighter in colour, its figuring and birdseye pattern are not unlike Charll's example.

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« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2022, 11:39:30 am »

Tom, the bottle has a lot of patina and wear especially noticeable on the pine needles. I think at one time it was a lot lighter in color.....John
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« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2022, 02:13:13 pm »

Dear John and Tom,
since the beginning I beleive that it is varnished. It is too much shiny for being just patina or penetrating finish, IMO.
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« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2022, 01:19:49 pm »

Giovanni, I would think if the bottle was varnished that there would be flat unreflective spots on where the bottle is worn. The whole surface appears similar. On this next bottle the surface is flat [61mm]. It is really unusable as a snuff bottle. The chain is hard to deal with, the supports for the center medallions go through the bottle and the interior is rough. The lettering on the base might indicate the bottle was a gift?


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« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2022, 04:17:53 pm »

John, the base looks more like a seal for impressing into sealing wax.
Interesting looking bottle.
Is it Chinese or European?
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« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2022, 11:20:01 pm »

An interesting bottle John.
IMO the base lettering is Western - a monogram perhaps?

The wood looks like Thuya burl - a North African wood with a distinctive 'leopard's paw' figuring.
I'd like to hear what Charll thinks.

Tom


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« Reply #55 on: June 22, 2022, 12:17:47 am »

Dear John, I concur with others. I see no details related to China. Does it has a spoon?
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« Reply #56 on: June 22, 2022, 08:12:51 am »

Everyone, the screw top does have a hole for a spoon which I added. Now that I look at it again, it does have sort of a middle-eastern look to it.
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