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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2021, 11:16:07 pm »


YT, my photos do represent the true color of the bottle and stopper, and yes there is a gradient of shading top (darker) to bottom (lighter). This may likely just be a factor of bottle width, being it is wider at the top and tapers to a more narrow base.  Or may be a gradient of color transition in the original crystal.  Thanks for sharing the glass example. 

Tom, yes I was looking at all materials for a similar shaped bottle and as stated so far found no close matches.  I appreciate the reiteration on it possibly being older.  My gut has always been saying it was likely earlier, rather than a late 19th or early 20th century bottle.  Just need to find other such examples with the earlier dating.

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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2021, 11:55:31 am »

Dear Samson,

   I noticed that you wrote concerning a bottle you thought of buying, that the etching damaged its value.
I told you that, but I was referring to the specific bottle, which was early and had modern etching.
If the bottle was made and etched at the same time, this doesn't apply.
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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2021, 07:27:33 am »

Charll, the meiping shape is very unusual in any kind of stone bottle....John
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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2022, 12:54:23 am »

Another recent acquisition off eBay.

Smoky Quartz Crystal Snuff Bottle:
Tourmalated smoky quartz of rectangular heart shape form.  Sparse black tourmaline needles in a light colored smoky crystal with natural fissure inclusions and wispy gray splashes.  Top of bottle is flat with a small 6 mm wide mouth.  Well hollowed with a smooth matted texture interior and well-polished glassy exterior.  Bottle sets on a flat, rounded rectangular, foot.  Stacked disc shape ivory stopper with a neatly carved wood spoon.  Height is 5.3 cm and 42.4 g without stopper.  [Weight/Height Ratio (WHR)= 0.800] 

Period: ca. 1780-1850   

Condition: Near pristine with a few minor abrasions and a couple of very tiny frits at top lip.  Old collection paste-sticker attached to base of bottle. 

Provenance: Purchased out of a New Mexico estate.  No further information provided.

Charll


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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2022, 04:56:24 am »

Dear Charll,

   I love the bottle.
A real classic shape and material.
Tourmalinated Smoky Quartz.
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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2022, 05:12:28 am »

Nice find Charll.
Congratulations.

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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2022, 06:13:35 am »

Dear Charll,
excellent material and shaping. Wonderful bottle.
Thank you for posting it
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2022, 11:54:05 am »

Charll, a nice Ebay find! Congratulations! This bottle comes from the first collection I bought at a local auction. Both sides had added bad incised decoration that I had to remove. [42mm] My favorite thing about the bottle is how the tourmaline needles disappear into the hollowed center and come out the other side....John


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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2022, 04:21:26 pm »

Beautiful bottle, John.
Thank you for posting it.
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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2022, 11:29:09 pm »

Nice bottle John. I enjoy seeing the endless configurations of tourmalinated quartz.

I'm interested to know how you managed to remove the incised decoration.
I often see attractive plain old bottles that have been ruined by the later addition of incised decoration.

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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2022, 01:20:46 am »

Great question, Tom.

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« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2022, 07:32:27 am »

Tom and Joey, years ago I bought a small lapidary set up. It does not give me the results I desire so I bring the bottles to my "expert" to finish. I have removed the engraving from 4 or 5 bottles....John
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« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2022, 11:06:42 am »

This next smoky quartz bottle is carved with bat and clouds [47mm]. The frosted interior gives it that dirty appearance.


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« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2022, 11:38:06 am »

 Another nice one! Is there snuff residue caught up in the hollowing marks? I have a couple with the residue that look that way.   Bob
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« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2022, 11:45:44 am »

Bob, I have tried several times to clean it out with a Q tip but it does not seem to help....John
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« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2022, 10:35:29 pm »

Nice bottle John.
I like the way one of the clouds wraps around the lateral side.
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« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2022, 07:21:03 am »

Tom, you know what I like best about the bottle? A bottle does not have to be expensive for real collectors to enjoy it....John
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« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2022, 07:46:59 am »

How very true, John!

And it doesn't need a fancy provenance either!



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« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2022, 07:53:05 am »

Richard, agreed!
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« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2022, 08:07:34 am »

Tom and Joey, years ago I bought a small lapidary set up.
It does not give me the results I desire so I bring the bottles to my "expert" to finish.
I have removed the engraving from 4 or 5 bottles....John

WOW!
What a great idea. But you must have the ability to do most of the work, even if not all.
I'm all thumbs... Cry Grin
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