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Snuff Bottle with the theme: May you be promoted to a Marquis

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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2013, 09:39:50 pm »

Nice bottle Inn Bok.  Thanks for sharing,  I never knew this kind of color jade existed. 
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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2013, 10:10:22 pm »

Hi Giovanni

In this case, it is quite relevant although it is not limited to just glass imitating other materials.

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Thank you dear Richard. I have not been clear. I was asking if it is a good book on its own matter, because I do like glass bottles imitating other materials.
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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2013, 11:38:44 pm »

Nice bottle Inn Bok and interesting description !
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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2013, 12:22:30 am »

Thank you dear Richard.
Very nice bottle dear Inn Bok, by the pictures it seems that the quality of the carving is quite good.
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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2013, 04:16:31 am »

Giovanni,

i forgot to add that in the same idea of " promotion to Marquis ", you may sometime find another object included. It is the " bee " which in Chinese is also pronounced as " Feng " but written as [ 蜂 ]。
On some bottle, you may find a monkey riding on a horse with a bee nearby the monkey or the horse.
This makes it very direct depiction of 马上封侯 :
[ 马 ma (= horse) 上 shang (= above), and the two words together suggest ' immediately ']
[ 封 feng ( = knighted, conferred ) and word with similar sound include  蜂 ( =bee) ]
[ 候 hou ( = marquis, high officials ) and word with similar sound include 猴 (= monkey )

The fun of Chinese !

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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2013, 04:53:23 am »

Thanks for that Inn Bok. That's why we need you chinese readers amd writers here. My gosh.. complicated. ..
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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2013, 05:22:06 am »

Yes, thank you Inn Bok !  Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2013, 10:58:19 am »


Terese Tse Bartholomew. Hidden Meanings in Chinese Art. 2006.


Here are a few copies...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hidden-Meanings-in-Chinese-Art-HARDCOVER-/170983404631?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item27cf67b457
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« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2013, 09:32:00 pm »

Thanks George,

That is the going price for the hard cover version.
If anyone wants a paperback copy, they cost far less:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Bartholomew&sts=t&tn=Hidden+Meanings

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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2013, 12:59:23 am »

Dear Inn Bok,
    I have a bottle by Chen Zhongsan (I think; I don't have a 1998 catalogue handy), with the bee, monkey and horse and possibly a B & W one as well in my 2007 catalogue.
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« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2013, 01:05:22 am »



Raymond Li. A Glossary of Snuff Bottle Rebus. Nine Dragons. Hong Kong, 1976.

Raymond Li. The Medicine-Snuff Bottle Connection. Nine Dragons. Hong Kong,1979.

Raymond Li. Snuff Bottle Terminology. Nine Dragons. Hong Kong, 1981.

Raymond Li. Chinese Snuff Bottle Themes. Nine Dragons. Hong Kong, 1983.


Thanks Tom...

Lots cheaper....

Here are a few of the Raymond Li books..  Maybe they are cheaper as well someplace else... Have not looked..

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« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2013, 02:33:27 am »

Guys,

Ebay is NOT the best place to find OOP (out-of-print) books. Those Raymond Li books may be worth 50 Euros each..............but you can find much better deals on Abebooks anyday. That's because over 13,000 book dealers use Abebooks, which forces them to set the market value of any title realistically.

Here is today's list of available Raymond Li books:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Raymond+Li&kn=snuff&sts=t

I have been using Abebooks since 2001, and highly recommend it. Of the hundred plus OOP books I have bought, only one did not match the condition described by the seller, and I was able to send it back to him.

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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2013, 03:22:01 am »

Thank you dear Tom. Just ordered "The art of imitation ...." at good price.
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« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2013, 03:46:23 am »

Dear Giovanni,

You are most welcome!

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« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2013, 09:08:15 am »

Another example of bottle with the rebus, "Ma Shang Feng Hou" (马上封侯) theme.

A shadow agate bottle carved using the dark inclusions to depict a monkey dressed in official costume riding a horse.  The reverse left plain. Height: 60 mm.

Provenance: Floyd W. Ohliger

Illustrated: One of the bottles on the cover photo of ICSBS Journal, September 1979 issue.


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« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2013, 11:09:52 am »

Love this bottle Richard!
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« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2013, 08:58:33 pm »

Yes, I agree. It's a wonderful bottle, with a sense of humour.
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« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2013, 09:41:21 pm »

Incredible... love it Richard!  very creative how they did the saddle and the monkey in the dark inclusion and the white/transparent part for the horse and the monkey's face.  A treasure this one... 
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« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2013, 02:45:25 am »

Quite creatively done indeed, Richard.

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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2013, 02:55:02 am »

Dear Richard thank you for posting your incredible collection. I agree with Tom, this bottle has a sense of humour. The monkey looks more like a bear than a monkey Smiley.
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