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« Reply #180 on: November 29, 2022, 08:31:18 am »

OK. Thanks, John.
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« Reply #181 on: November 29, 2022, 12:40:22 pm »

The next example is the only one I have in copper red with the Dragon Couple stealing the water of Beijing [85mm]. From a small auction in 2008.


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« Reply #182 on: December 06, 2022, 11:21:02 am »

Perhaps Richard knows what is going on with this painting [74mm]. It looks like someone serving a hot platter of food. From a small auction in 2013.


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« Reply #183 on: December 06, 2022, 02:42:32 pm »

The mark is upside down, John.
Interesting bottle.
The figure on the other side looks to be in badly fired copper red.
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« Reply #184 on: December 06, 2022, 09:40:21 pm »

Hi John

The motif is too generic to specify any story.

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« Reply #185 on: December 07, 2022, 12:23:09 pm »

Joey, I know the bottle is misfired but I was more concerned with the motif. Richard, I believe this next bottle [83mm] has the same motif as the other I posted with the woman and child. From the Collection of the Blue Dragon Lady.


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« Reply #186 on: December 07, 2022, 06:29:54 pm »

Dear John,

    I only raised it because I intended to ask [but forgot - I was distracted Roll Eyes Shocked],
is the man in copper red Dutch [because his hat looks Western],
and does he have a rifle with a white stock on his right side?
Or do my eyes deceive me?
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« Reply #187 on: December 08, 2022, 07:31:23 am »

Hi John

Yes, this bottle is like the other one you posted before. In this case, the drawing of the baby in the lady's arms is more obvious.

I have a story in mind, but more research is required to confirm the subject.

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« Reply #188 on: December 08, 2022, 01:29:18 pm »

Joey, I do not know what that is but it does not look like a rifle.


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« Reply #189 on: December 08, 2022, 03:33:27 pm »

OK.
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« Reply #190 on: December 08, 2022, 09:54:31 pm »

Hi Joey & John

This figure is dressed in an official uniform.

In my opinion, the object looks like a sword to me.

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« Reply #191 on: December 09, 2022, 07:21:53 am »

Richard, I think you are correct. It looks like the hilt of a sword. This next example [70mm] of Zhong kui is interesting. His hat, chest harness, belt and tassel are all in a dark copper red. From an internet auction in 2017.


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« Reply #192 on: December 18, 2022, 07:33:10 am »

The next example [74mm] features a fisherman and a pretty successful firing of the copper red. It has an unusually thin neck. From an auction in 2016.


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« Reply #193 on: December 18, 2022, 06:20:09 pm »

Very nice John. 
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« Reply #194 on: December 18, 2022, 06:37:37 pm »

John,

   It is another beautiful example, and the copper red has fired really well, as you said.
Is it relatively light in weight?
If so, I would reckon it is another fine example from ca. 1865 - 1900.
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« Reply #195 on: December 19, 2022, 08:11:52 am »

Jo, thanks for the comment. Joey, the bottle has very thin walls. I would agree with that dating. The next example [67mm] is the rider on the tiger. I believe the ICSBS journal had an article on that story. Maybe Richard can confirm. An early auction find from 2002.


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« Reply #196 on: December 19, 2022, 01:33:10 pm »

Jo, thanks for the comment. Joey, the bottle has very thin walls. I would agree with that dating. The next example [67mm] is the rider on the tiger. I believe the ICSBS journal had an article on that story. Maybe Richard can confirm. An early auction find from 2002.

John, this simply shows us that superb quality painting was done as late as 1900.
In fact even today there are top quality painters doing beautiful
B & Ws.
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« Reply #197 on: December 22, 2022, 12:21:56 pm »

Joey, there was a lot of excellent work done after 1865. This next bottle [78mm] has the 8 Horses of King Mu. Nice firing of the red. From an internet auction in 2017.


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« Reply #198 on: December 22, 2022, 01:48:17 pm »

Yes, the copper red is well fired
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« Reply #199 on: December 23, 2022, 08:15:09 am »

The next example [83mm] has a matching bottle sold from the Bloch Collection 11-26-13  #132. From an internet auction in 2015.


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