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« Reply #140 on: November 05, 2022, 03:18:22 pm »


As I recall the mark is "jade trinket", referencing a small treasure.  One of the few marks I know!!! Charll
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« Reply #141 on: November 05, 2022, 06:47:56 pm »

Well Charll, you did better than me...
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« Reply #142 on: November 05, 2022, 10:42:10 pm »

Hi Joey & John

The two characters on the base is Wan Yu, meaning "playing jade".

For your information.

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Richard


P.S. John, I will get back to you on the other porcelain bottle later.
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« Reply #143 on: November 06, 2022, 03:40:14 am »

Richard,

   What does "playing Jade" mean?
Or do you mean "Jade Plaything"?
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« Reply #144 on: November 06, 2022, 03:56:33 am »

Hi Joey

They are the same characters but in reverse order.

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« Reply #145 on: November 06, 2022, 06:18:55 am »

Everyone, I think the hawk is looking at a mouse with a long skinny tail. I believe that Charll is correct as I have seen that translation in several reference books.
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« Reply #146 on: November 06, 2022, 09:19:09 pm »

OK, John. I must admit I just saw a grey oval 'yoke'.
A 'yoke' in Ireland is anything you don't know how to describe...  Roll Eyes Shocked Cheesy
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« Reply #147 on: November 09, 2022, 01:37:13 pm »

Joey, I think I have had to use the 'yoke' several times. The next bottle features a deer hunt on horseback [73mm], from a small auction in 2018.


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« Reply #148 on: November 09, 2022, 02:24:58 pm »

Very interesting subject, John.
I have this on Middle period IPSBs, but I don't believe on
a B & W snuff bottle.
I do have a horseman firing an arrow skyward, #36 in "Dragon".
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« Reply #149 on: November 10, 2022, 08:05:16 am »

Joey, I remember seeing it on one of your bottles but I think it is rare on porcelain. The next bottle features a city on the water, an island nearby [86mm]. From an internet auction in 2010. Richard, I believe that is a flag in the first picture.


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« Reply #150 on: November 10, 2022, 10:36:33 am »

John,  in the first shot, I see 2 flags/pennants with calligraphy.
Beautiful, and a very rare subject.
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« Reply #151 on: November 10, 2022, 02:48:59 pm »

Lovely John!  You have the eye for picking out some outstanding bottles.  Thanks for sharing your finds with us .
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« Reply #152 on: November 11, 2022, 01:35:40 am »

Hi John

The name on the two flags read Jiujang Pass, Jiujang means Nine Rivers.

This was a gantry set up during the Qing dynasty to collect tax from passing merchants.

For your information.

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« Reply #153 on: November 11, 2022, 05:28:37 am »

Dear Richard,

    What is a 'gantry'? Like a Customs station?
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« Reply #154 on: November 11, 2022, 06:38:46 am »

Hi Joey

Yes, exactly.

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« Reply #155 on: November 11, 2022, 07:34:09 am »

Richard, you taught me a new word! Thanks so much for the translation.
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« Reply #156 on: November 11, 2022, 04:58:00 pm »

Richard,

 I knew the word 'gantry' before as the framework holding up rockets before they were fired from
Cape Canaveral, where the Kennedy Space Center is located.
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« Reply #157 on: November 12, 2022, 08:14:52 am »

The next bottle is the Journey to the West story [81mm]. The calligraphy looks different from the other bottle I posted. Maybe Richard can explain the flames? From an auction in 2012.


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« Reply #158 on: November 13, 2022, 07:29:41 am »

Hi John

You are right.

This is a story from the Journey to the West, chapters 44 to 48.

The name of the location is Huo Yun Dong, which means Five Cloud Cave. The owner is a young demon known as the Red Child. He is the son of the Bull Demon King (2nd photo) and the Princess of the Iron Fan (1st photo). He is shown in the last photo with the name of the cave above him. His cave is located at Huo Yan Shan, the Flaming Mountain.

One of his special techniques is to use fire as a weapon.

In the story, he captured the Monkey King's teacher, and hence, they have a big fight. The Monkey King is shown a the top of the second photo.

For your reference.

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« Reply #159 on: November 14, 2022, 08:09:54 am »

Richard, thanks for the information. Now the flames make sense. The next bottle [66mm] has a banquet scene. I do not know if it has any special meaning. The mark is well done and it came with the serious silver snuff spoon. From an internet auction in 2012.


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