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« Reply #260 on: November 22, 2022, 06:23:55 pm »

John,

    Japanese-style mons [floral medallions], as illustrated on your latest B & W,
are actually often found decorating Imperial wares from ca.1715 to 1900.
The quality of your bottle is not as fine as #102 [ca.1760-1820]; #105 [ca.1851-1855];
or # 110 [ca.1820-1855], all in "Dragon".
I'd reckon your bottle is ca.1865-1900, and not necessarily Imperial [as indeed #110
is possibly not Imperial].
Re. the bottle with the doves and the Pekinese. A lot of bottles with a Pekinese subject
were made to honour the love of the Dowager Empress Cixi for this breed.
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« Reply #261 on: November 23, 2022, 08:05:50 am »

Joey, I would agree with the dating on the mons bottle. I think the Pekinese bottle could be earlier as the dog is paired with the 2 doves. The next bottle is an unusual miniature [41mm] with a lotus scroll over a wave ground. The neck is surrounded by 8 flower heads. Part of a B&W collection I bought out of N.Y.C. in 2015.


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« Reply #262 on: November 23, 2022, 02:03:30 pm »

Dear John,

     You are right. The bottles made to eulogise the Pekinese who died usually
display a pair of the dogs, or so I understand.
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« Reply #263 on: November 25, 2022, 11:53:45 am »

The next bottle [83mm] is the second of my foo lions examples. This one features the early neck decoration. From a small auction in 2009.


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« Reply #264 on: December 09, 2022, 08:03:42 am »

This next example [86mm] has the "Golden Thread" type of glaze. Maybe Richard knows the story of this figure looking at the man in the boat. From an internet auction in 2012.


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« Reply #265 on: December 09, 2022, 03:08:01 pm »

Dear John,
What is coming out of the brazier in the bow of the boat?
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« Reply #266 on: December 09, 2022, 08:45:18 pm »

Hi Joey

I think he is burning incense.

But I cannot figure out what is on the right of the man in the third photo. Anyone?

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Richard


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« Reply #267 on: December 10, 2022, 08:04:58 am »

Joey and Richard, those are 2 things that I could not figure out. The incense burning makes sense. Near the other figure it almost looks like a basket with something growing in it has tipped on its side.
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« Reply #268 on: December 10, 2022, 06:03:01 pm »

Guys, That is a bamboo fish or crustacean trap.
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« Reply #269 on: December 11, 2022, 07:36:16 am »

Joey, that could be a bamboo basket [unfinished of course]. The next bottle [68mm] I showed at one of our meetings. Very imaginative painting and a more unusual shape. It looks like 2 boats with masts and rigging and further down a lookout pole. From a B&W collection from NYC in 2015.


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« Reply #270 on: December 14, 2022, 07:36:40 am »

Recently I found a bottle [66mm] by the same hand as mine in the Barron V sale #304. I noticed the calligraphy is different. Maybe Richard can explain. From an internet auction in 2015.


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« Reply #271 on: December 14, 2022, 02:00:01 pm »


John,

Now this is a very nice bottle!  Artistically well done, balanced design, great use varying blue tones, detail and clarity in the painting. NICE!!!!!

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« Reply #272 on: December 14, 2022, 02:14:37 pm »

Dear John,

    This one is a stunner!
Congratulations,
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« Reply #273 on: December 14, 2022, 06:16:14 pm »

Unique...I like it very much!
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« Reply #274 on: December 14, 2022, 10:47:47 pm »

Hi John

Yes, very well executed.

The inscription appears to be a name, Zi Jiu.

For your reference.

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« Reply #275 on: December 15, 2022, 07:18:30 am »

John,

   Is that a peach on the base?
This really is a special B & W.
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« Reply #276 on: December 15, 2022, 07:30:24 am »

Joey, that is a peach. It is the same on the Barron bottle. Richard, thanks for the translation and I thank everyone for their comments. The next example is for Joey, a soft paste bottle [62mm] with a landscape and a fisherman. It is from an auction in 2007 and from the Collection of Saint John's University.


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« Reply #277 on: December 15, 2022, 08:47:32 am »

John,
 
   It looks like the exact same scene as illustrated on #59, 60, and 61
 in the Landscapes Section of "Dragon"!
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« Reply #278 on: December 15, 2022, 09:21:52 am »

Lovely landscape bottle John.  I am particularly fond of the soft paste bottles.  Have a similar one I purchased from Robert Kleiner in Jan of 2013. 
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« Reply #279 on: December 15, 2022, 09:42:02 am »

Jo. I also really like the soft paste bottles. They all seem to be of high quality, except for that one example I posted in an earlier thread.
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