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 on: November 30, 2021, 11:24:38 pm 
Started by Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush - Last post by Wattana

     In Canada we used to say, "It's Greek to me".  Roll Eyes Grin


Dear Joey,

They say the same thing in the UK. My reply was always: "That's no problem at all!"
Or, to put it another way: Δεν είναι πρόβλημα !   Grin  Grin

Best,
Tom

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 on: November 30, 2021, 05:37:22 pm 
Started by Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush - Last post by Joey
Dear Giovanni,

     In Canada we used to say, "It's Greek to me".  Roll Eyes Grin
In Israel we also say, "It's Chinese to me". Some people say, "It's Japanese to me."
I'm surprised that Richard Baey, YT, or Samson Lee,  have not helped.
Best,
Joey

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 on: November 30, 2021, 01:33:01 pm 
Started by Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush - Last post by Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush
OK, thank you dear Joey. Chinese language is not my field, "it looks like Chinese to me Grin". Note: here, when someone is facing something that he can't understand, he says that "it looks like Chinese to me".
Giovanni

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 on: November 30, 2021, 10:18:13 am 
Started by Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush - Last post by Joey
Dear Giovanni,

    Your 'ju' is not my 'ju'. I wrote out the character on your bottle, counting the strokes, then looked under 8 stroke characters.
It is DEFINITELY 'ju' with 8 strokes. But you must remember - there are 5 tones [actually 4 and a half-tone] of 'ju' in Mandarin, and each one is written differently.
Best,
joey

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 on: November 30, 2021, 09:58:17 am 
Started by Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush - Last post by Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush
Dear Joey,
thank you! I did try with Google translate and I see that you are correct with the first and third character, but the fourth character is indeed different, being Ju written this way: 据 while actually the character on the bottle is missing the vertical line on the left.
But it is good that you have found the character nine, which may indicate that the inscription is related to the subject of the bottle.
Let see if we will find more.
Kind regards
Giovanni

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 on: November 30, 2021, 07:27:40 am 
Started by Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush - Last post by Joey
Dear Giovanni,

    The inscription is read from top right down to bottom right and then from top left to bottom left.
[ x ] - meaning of character / { x } number of strokes in character [how you find a character in the dictionary]
First character - jiu  [nine] {6 stroke character}
Second character - ?
Third character - tong [same] {2 stroke character}
Fourth character - ju [residence] {8 stroke character}

But this is possibly not the Classical Chinese meaning.
I hope this is helpful.

Best,
Happy Hanuka,
Joey

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 on: November 30, 2021, 03:50:05 am 
Started by Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush - Last post by Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush
Dear all,
I consulted the Gerald Davison's book on Chinese Marks but I have not found the one that is on this bottle.
It is barely readable and I did try to enhance its contrast to make it more readable.
Is it possible to read it?
Thank you in advance.
Kind regards
Giovanni


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 on: November 28, 2021, 09:27:09 am 
Started by Wattana - Last post by richy88
Thanks Tom!

Glad that you guys enjoyed the short presentation.

Regards.


Richard

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 on: November 28, 2021, 01:25:00 am 
Started by Wattana - Last post by Wattana
Dear Giovanni,
I'm guessing your family lunch lasted longer than expected.  Wink

Dear All,
In the end only 5 of us attended the meeting, so it was short and sweet.
Those you did join were treated to an amusing presentation from Richard, entitled 'Animal Farm'.

The next meeting will be in January 2022, unless there is strong interest for holding a meeting during the Christmas and New Year holidays.
There will be a poll to decide, so please cast your vote when you see the message posted.

Thanks,
Tom

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 on: November 27, 2021, 04:24:23 am 
Started by Wattana - Last post by Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush
Guys, now I realize why the last time I was not able to join. I was not considering that.
The meeting time is at 2 PM here. Every Saturday, my daughter’s family join us for lunch, and they arrive here at 1:30 – 1:40 PM.
Then it is not possible to attend the meeting, unless they go out soon and I may join at the end. Sorry.
Kind regards,
Giovanni

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