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Title: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: rpfstoneman on August 07, 2022, 09:49:09 pm
All,

A number of my unadorned stone snuff bottles have yet to be cataloged to my collection.  So since I had them gathered up together I thought it would be a good time to go through the process of describing this category of bottles, and share them with the group here as I work though the exercise.

Banded Agate Snuff Bottle:
Extremely well hollowed agate bottle of large round rectangular form, with striking frontal splatter and orange linear striation inclusions and banding along the bottle sides.  Front face is highlight by a rare pink and rose color matrix, suggesting cherry blossoms.  Interior is smooth and polished to a glassy appearance.  Bottle sets on raised oval, beveled, foot rim.  Fine crackled rose quartz cabochon stopper inset in a silver band and old ivory spoon.  Height is 6.0 cm without stopper, weight is 65.1 g.
 
Period: ca. 1750-1850.   

Condition: Pristine, with only very minor surface abrasion.  Residual snuff scent within bottle interior.

Provenance: Unknown, acquired on eBay in 2012.

Enjoy the labor of love, Charll



Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Wattana on August 07, 2022, 10:46:25 pm
Charll,
Thanks for posting. Look forward to seeing more of the ones you shared at the last meeting.
BTW, is the lip face of this bottle flat or concave?

Tom


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: rpfstoneman on August 08, 2022, 12:10:21 pm

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BTW, is the lip face of this bottle flat or concave?

Tom, the mouth top is concave with a bevel and rounded outer lip.  Charll


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Wattana on August 08, 2022, 09:22:35 pm

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BTW, is the lip face of this bottle flat or concave?

Tom, the mouth top is concave with a bevel and rounded outer lip.  Charll

Thanks Charll.

Tom


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: rpfstoneman on August 09, 2022, 12:21:48 pm
Another older bottle. 

Agate Snuff Bottle:
Extremely well hollowed (i.e., floater) agate bottle of round rectangular form, translucent micro-pillow structure of a cream and yellow color with black-brown splotching and mini facial striations.  Frontal stone inclusions are akin to a swarm of fish in a pond.   Clear quartz crystalline structure trims the bottle’s shoulders.  Interior finely ground to a smooth buff surface with uniform wall thickness.  Traditional taotie masks caved onto the sides in low profile.  Bottle sets on raised 2 mm wide oval foot rim.  Bottle mouth has a very subtle dip to a 7 mm opening (i.e., ever so slightly concaved) and has a beveled outer lip.   Brown tiger-eye cabochon stopper attached with a black nylon collar, and horn spoon.  Height is 5.5 cm, weight is 46.3 g, without stopper.

Period: ca. 19th century.   

Condition: Near pristine, with one minor nibble on the mouth lip.

Provenance: Unknown, acquired on eBay in 2015-16.

As always please feel free to provide corrections and/or comments,  Charll



Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on August 10, 2022, 07:10:50 am
Charll, I really like the bottles you posted. The first looks like it has some age to it. The second is harder to tell. Can you post a bottom view? This bottle [66mm] I think is similar to the one you talked about at the meeting....John


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: richy88 on August 10, 2022, 08:29:00 am
Hi John

Thanks for posting this last bottle.

The bottle, when lit up, looks like a volcano erupting!

Just my observation.

Regards.


Richard


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on August 10, 2022, 11:16:45 am
Richard, now I see the flaming rocks coming back to earth!


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: rpfstoneman on August 10, 2022, 09:34:21 pm
A modern agate bottle.  As discussed this is a material I've seen coming out of China in the last 10 years or so.

Crystalline Agate Snuff Bottle:
Translucent milky white agate of baluster form with black and brown spotted variegation with crystalline insets.  Very well hollowed, but unfinished with residual drill marks.  Bottle set on a nicely finished raised oval foot rim.  Bottle fitted with a doomed carnelian agate stopper with a thick black nylon collar (no spoon).  Height is 6.6 cm by 5.2 cm wide by 3.1 cm on the side, and 65.6 g, without stopper. 

Period: Modern, post 2000’s.

Condition: Excellent

Provenance:  Altair Fine Asian Works of Art, May 31, 2015, Lot 0585

Charll

P.S.- the last backlit photo shows the undulating roughness (think rippling of a pond) of the remnant drill marks on the interior of the bottle.   



Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on August 11, 2022, 08:06:55 am
Charll, nice markings on the bottle and you can really see the drill marks. This next bottle has some banding and the black dendrites [61mm].


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: rpfstoneman on August 13, 2022, 11:58:58 am

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From John - Can you post a bottom view?

John, per your request a bottle view has been added to the posts above.  Charll


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: rpfstoneman on August 13, 2022, 12:11:05 pm

This one is another old bottle.

Agate Snuff Bottle:
Small well hollowed agate bottle of flatten rounded rectangular form, dark translucent stone with shadowy black-brown circular formations on one face versa an unadorned plain surface of caramel tones on the other face.  Interior finely ground to a smooth buff surface with uniform wall thickness.  Bottle sets on an oval raised pedestaled flat foot.  Bottle mouth if flat.  Half bead carnelian stopper with a red glass collar and keratin spoon.  Height is 5.5 cm, weight is 44.6 g, without stopper.

Period: ca. 19th century.   

Condition: Very good, with some surface wear.  Strong, sweet, snuff aroma from bottle interior

Provenance:  White Lotus Gallery, Eugene, Oregon (2018)
                    Bonhams & Butterfields Sale #SOM05081SF, San Francisco between 2002-2010

Charll



Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on August 13, 2022, 12:37:24 pm
Charll, regarding your earlier post I would date the bottle late 19th century. Your new post looks rather dull until you shine a light through it, then it becomes something special.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: rpfstoneman on August 13, 2022, 07:17:59 pm

Another old agate bottle that was shared during last's week online discussion.

Agate Snuff Bottle:
Small well hollowed agate bottle of flatten bulbous form in cloudy translucent dark black-brown to red-brown tones.  Interior finely ground to a smooth buff surface with uniform wall thickness.  Bottle sets slightly concaved oval flat foot.  Bottle mouth is flat.  Domed jadeite cabochon stopper with ivory spoon.  Height is 4.2 cm, weight is 36.6 g, without stopper.

Period: ca. 19th century.   

Condition: Good, with some surface dibbling from wear and a small nibble on the outer mouth lip.  Bottle has seen some use and has a hint of snuff aroma on the interior.   

Provenance:  White Lotus Gallery, Eugene, Oregon (2018)
                      Bonhams & Butterfields Sale #SOM05081SF, San Francisco between 2002-2010

Charll


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on August 14, 2022, 07:29:28 am
The next bottle [56mm] has super thin hollowing as it's main attraction. Some banding inside the raised carved footrim.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: rpfstoneman on September 10, 2022, 10:49:40 pm

All, cataloging another recent agate bottle purchase.  As it turned out this was one of my better buys at just $75 USD.  Given its size, quality, smooth tactile feeling (i.e., a 'worry stone' experience) and overall form, this bottle will likely be elevated to and remain one of the 'flagship' bottles of my collection.   

Agate Snuff Bottle:
A very well and uniformly hollowed agate bottle of flatten circular form, translucent caramel color with black-brown splotching and mini-facial inclusions.  Frontal stone inclusions are akin to geese in flight over reeds, vera is a landscape of a river emerging from a craggy mountain scape as it enters a lake.  Each face has a very subtle dimple which naturally pushes the bottle to a balance point between the thumb and index finger when held; very satisfying tactilely.  Bottle rest on a rectangular oval pedestal that is slightly concave which forms a subtle footrim.  Stopper is a pearlescent white glass cabochon imitating moonstone set in a silver bezel with an incorporated silver spoon.  Height is just 5.0 cm by 1.5 cm wide, 32.7 g, without stopper.  Weight to Height Ratio [WHR = 0.654]. 

Period: ca. 18th - 19th century.   

Condition:  Pristine, with appropriate patina to silver fittings.

Provenance: Unknown, acquired from eBay seller in Southborough, Massachusetts.

Charll



Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush on September 11, 2022, 01:18:31 am
Dear Charll,
I perfectly understand and agree with the premise of your description. There are apparently simple bottles which are actually bordering perfection because of the subtle beauty of their shape and lines. These are the preferred ones because they are clearly speaking about the fine taste of the carver.
I like your bottle very much, the geese flying over reeds is most appropriate.
Kind regards
Giovanni


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: joearp on September 11, 2022, 02:44:36 pm
Charll,  David and I also love agate bottles and this one would definitely be a keeper.  Adore the geese flying over the reeds on the front.  So glad you have this beauty and at such a great price! 


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Wattana on September 12, 2022, 12:26:14 am
Charll,
A great find. I totaly agree with Jo's sentiments!
Following Brian's lead, all you need is a title for the bottle. 'Taking Flight'...?

Tom


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: rpfstoneman on September 12, 2022, 12:48:56 pm

Thank you all for the comments. 

Tom, like the title for the bottle you provided and will likely use it if, or when, I start giving a title header to each bottle in the collection.

Charll


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: richy88 on September 13, 2022, 03:54:14 am
Hi Charll & all

Interesting.

I actually have a group of contemporary stone bottles that I give a name to each.

I will post them in a separate thread.

Regards.


Richard


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on September 13, 2022, 07:21:37 am
Charll, great bottle and a fitting name given to it by Tom. This next bottle has interesting markings and an unusual black matrix [64mm].


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Wattana on September 13, 2022, 08:18:06 pm
John,
Interesting markings indeed. Several names come to mind!

Tom


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on September 14, 2022, 01:21:40 pm
Tom, I like the random markings on the bottles. This one looks rather plain until you shine a light through it. Probably a true floater [47mm].


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on October 06, 2022, 11:58:31 am
This next bottle [51mm] is extremely well hollowed and has an interesting provenance. In 2006 I bought a group of 10 bottles from Vickie Scribner, grand-daughter of Albert and Eva Dunlap authors of "Behind the Bamboo Curtin". The box of bottles was passed down through the family after being smuggled out of China in 1941.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on October 06, 2022, 12:02:38 pm
Dear John,

     The markings are stunning, and the provenance is
impressive.
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on October 06, 2022, 12:25:15 pm
Joey, I forgot to tell you that is the same provenance for the archaic jade bottle with the kui dragons you bought from Clare.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on October 06, 2022, 01:29:51 pm
Joey, I forgot to tell you that is the same provenance for the archaic jade bottle with the kui dragons you bought from Clare.

Dear John,

     Can you be more specific?
I'd like to add the information to my provenance for the bottle,
but I don't know when I bought it.
And I have 88 Jade bottles...
Though it is post 2006...
And Clare...
I will check, but what shape is it?
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on October 09, 2022, 07:09:56 am
Joey, it is pictured in figure #8 in your article in the spring 2021 ICSBS Journal....John


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on October 09, 2022, 08:49:57 am
Joey, it is pictured in figure #8 in your article in the spring 2021 ICSBS Journal....John

Well, John - I can't ask for more exact information than that!
Thank you.
I will add it forthwith [or after the first day of the Sukkot Feast, which starts in
less than 2 hrs... ::) :D]
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on October 12, 2022, 12:05:24 pm
The next bottle I found in 2018 from a small auction [60mm]. Again a plain bottle until you shine a light through it. Possibly a true floater.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on October 12, 2022, 01:29:37 pm
And another classic understated beauty.
Thank you,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on October 18, 2022, 11:17:05 am
Joey, thanks for the reply. From a U.K. auction in 2016 this agate has a prominent white inclusion [67mm].


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on October 19, 2022, 11:14:44 pm
John,
You said the last bottle had a prominent white inclusion,
But didn’t feature it, except obliquely.
From the side it looks like the Hello Kitty “.
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on October 20, 2022, 08:13:11 am
Joey, very funny! The next bottle also looks plain except for the exceptional hollowing [60mm]. Bought in 2021 at a small auction.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on November 06, 2022, 07:50:50 am
Another plain bottle [63mm] concave bottom and exceptionally hollowed. Purchased from a west coast auction in 2015.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on November 06, 2022, 09:36:38 pm
John, the last bottle is another real beauty.
So simple and yet so sublime.
The late Patty Miller in Honolulu used to describe
bottles like this as having Shibui.
{It can be used to describe an object. Most of the time it has a positive slant, evoking unadorned, discreet beauty marked with a sense of moderation. An object or person described as shibui is elegant and seemingly simple, but reveals new facets as time passes.}.
I would refer to this material as Chalcedony.
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on November 08, 2022, 11:58:48 am
Another bottle with Shibui. Unusual shape, the hollowing all the way into the flat shoulders [59mm]. A lucky find at a small auction in 2016.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on November 08, 2022, 01:26:45 pm
Dear John,

     You are right. It definitely is/has Shibui.
I'm not always sure how to use the word.
The bottle confused me at first; I thought it was cylindrical.
Then when I saw the base, I realised it was oval.

I wanted to ask you about the previous one, the Chalcedony.
Is the foot an oval inset foot-rim?
I have been trying to figure it out.
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on November 09, 2022, 07:13:38 am
Joey, the bottle does have an oval inset foot-rim. The next bottle [56mm] is very well hollowed and came with the cover around the foot-rim. I realized after I received the bottle, that it is a bottle holder from a custom made wood box. I have kept them together.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on November 09, 2022, 02:27:42 pm
Another simple but beautiful bottle, John.
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Wattana on November 09, 2022, 11:10:15 pm
John,

All these unadorned bottles you are posting are wonderful.
'Shibui' is right up my street, aesthetically speaking...!

Tom


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on November 10, 2022, 07:00:55 am
John,

All these unadorned bottles you are posting are wonderful.
'Shibui' is right up my street, aesthetically speaking...!

Tom

Dear Tom, 

    A mixed metaphor, but OK.
I understand what you mean... ::) :o ;D
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on November 10, 2022, 01:43:59 pm
Tom and Joey, I have read many times to "let the material speak for itself". This next bottle has a more interesting shape but I wish the hollowing was better [72mm]. It came from a local auction in 2018.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on November 10, 2022, 02:20:39 pm
John,

    A beautiful material, and the double gourd shape is elegant,
but when lit from behind one sees it is not, as you remarked,
well enough hollowed out.
Now, not lit from behind, it is not so noticeable.
But filled with brown snuff, one would again, clearly see
the unimpressive hollowing.
Best,
joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on November 12, 2022, 01:31:22 pm
The next bottle [49mm] is a true floater. The bottle has a raised foot-rim and a interior star crack from the extreme hollowing.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: joearp on November 12, 2022, 02:45:35 pm
The hollowing is amazing.  I wonder if bottles are often broken when they are hollowed to this degree?


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on November 12, 2022, 06:35:24 pm
Jo,

   I'd have thought that a lot were,
which is why not that many bottles with hollowing this fine survive.
My dear friends the Hunters [Neal & Frances both of blessed memory],
who moved from Ohio to Southern California during the Depression,
lost two fine bottles.
One, a really fine ruby red overlay on milk glass, cracked when a fellow collector,
whose hand was cold from holding a really cold beer, caused the outer layer to
get much colder than the inner layer. This caused the bottle to crack.
The second was a really well hollowed out chalcedony with a tightly corked stopper,
which they'd bought in NYC. They then flew back to LAX, and the difference in air pressure
between the cabin and that inside the bottle, supposedly caused it to crack.
Best,
joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on November 15, 2022, 01:37:21 pm
Jo and Joey, I have at least a dozen bottles with interior cracks. I think this is fairly common because of the hollowing and changes in temperature. The next bottle is interesting [50mm], the material changes about a third of the way through the bottle. There are still dendrites on both sides. From an auction in 2013.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on November 15, 2022, 01:54:42 pm
That is a very interesting material, John.
Re. star cracks in snuff bottle walls due to hollowing;
I have seen a few examples which were sent to France and had match-strikers
mounted on the base and a starburst design inset with gems inset into the wall
to cover the star crack.
Thank you,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: joearp on November 15, 2022, 07:27:33 pm
That would be interesting to see Joey. Thanks for your comment John about the bottles with interior cracks.  Would love to see an example of that too. 


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on November 16, 2022, 07:14:14 am
Dear Jo,

    I've never owned one of those.
I will look on the internet.
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on November 16, 2022, 01:37:42 pm
Jo, one of my very fine shadow agate bottles with foo lion, bat and goose with French silver mounts. The star crack can be seen in the 2nd and 3rd photos [56mm].


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush on November 16, 2022, 02:04:40 pm
Dear John, very nice.
I like so much these bottles transformed into cigarette lighters by Maquet and other companies.
I have three of them. Despite being these lighters common at the time, I have not been able to find a description of how they work. Does anybody know that?
Kind regards
Giovanni


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: joearp on November 16, 2022, 02:28:33 pm
Very beautiful John.  Thanks for pointing out the star crack. 


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on November 16, 2022, 04:19:26 pm
Dear Giovanni,

     I was under the impression that one held the stopper in one hand,
the upside down bottle in the other hand, and struck the 'stick end' of the stopper
through the track going lengthwise through the metal base.
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush on November 17, 2022, 06:34:13 am
Dear  Joey,  that  is what  I  did  try several  times,  but no sparks or else.  And  there  is a sort of cotton inside these bottles.
KInd  regards
Giovanni


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on November 17, 2022, 01:27:40 pm
Giovanni, I did a seminar on my 15 lighter conversions at the Philly ICSBS meeting in 2019. The bottom of the lighters had a steel grate for striking the flint. Out of my 15 bottles this is the only one left with the grate [enclosed]. A wrapping with a flammable material [gasoline] would be wrapped near the flint [last photo].


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on November 17, 2022, 04:19:14 pm
Dear John,

    Thank you. Your description is much more accurate than mine.
The only times I almost bought one, were in 1980 from Manheim
Galleries in New Orleans, just before the 1980 ICSBS New Orleans convention;
and from my good friend Robyn Turner, when she was still in NYC, in 2000.
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush on November 18, 2022, 02:11:05 am
Dear John, thank you very much.  Your example is the only one that I have seen with the grate.  Now I understand, although I do not see how to insert the flint stone when it is completely worn, but that is just a detail, may be the stones was enchased with some sort of glue.
Kind regards
Giovanni


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on November 19, 2022, 01:12:01 pm
Giovanni, it looks like the flint sits inside the hollow shaft.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on November 21, 2022, 07:51:58 am
The next bottle [66mm] is from a larger group with these destinctive rounded smiling handles. They must all come from the same carving shop.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on November 22, 2022, 05:44:25 am
I must admit that I've never liked these short 'Taotie'.
Especially on polychrome enamelled porcelain bottles
of a stylised shield shape [very wide shoulders tapering inward,
then flaring outward a bit and finally tapering inward toward the raised foot rim].
I've always thought them late 19th C.

I still don't like them, but this Agate/Chalcedony bottle is more pleasing
than the porcelain examples, in my opinion.
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on November 22, 2022, 12:17:37 pm
Joey, maybe the height of the bottle makes it a little more balanced. Most of the porcelain examples I have seen are not very well done.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on November 22, 2022, 06:23:27 pm
John, 
You may well have a point.
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on December 01, 2022, 01:52:34 pm
The next example [59mm] is quite well hollowed and the top fits into the neck without wrapping.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on December 01, 2022, 04:23:51 pm
It looks like a beautiful bottle,  John.
But I don't understand the comment about the top.
Could you possibly elaborate, and show photos of the mouth
without the stopper or with the stopper posed next to it?
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on December 05, 2022, 01:04:32 pm
Joey, I have several of these silver stoppers that fit into the mouth opening with just a small twist.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on December 05, 2022, 01:41:24 pm
John,

    That is simply a silver 'cork-shaped' piece.
Yes, I have some as well.
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on December 06, 2022, 08:14:53 am
The next example [60mm], possibly a true floater is from an internet auction in 2013. The very fine coral top and old spoon came with the bottle.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on December 06, 2022, 09:05:44 am
John,

    These used to be so common.
Every collection had a few.
Now they are much less common.
Possibly because so many are now in West Chester, PA.... ::) :o :D
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: joearp on December 06, 2022, 10:41:33 am
You could be on to something Joey! 🤔


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on December 06, 2022, 11:09:59 am
Joey and Jo, you could be right. Maybe I have cornered the market?


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: rpfstoneman on December 06, 2022, 05:36:33 pm
Okay, I need to know.  Is the silver stopper (simply a silver 'cork-shaped' piece) in post #67 above old, 20th century, or newer?  I just picked up what I thought was a new stone bottle that has a stopper that is almost a twin to John's posted stopper above.

Appreciate any insight.  Charll


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on December 07, 2022, 01:26:26 am
Dear Charll,

    What's a 'sliver stopper'?
I have 3 or 4 like that which are old.
Possibly early 20th C., possibly older.
But there is no reason why someone could
not match an older stopper to a modern bottle.
Or even drill the modern bottle's neck to fit the
older stopper.
Best,
Joey Sliver  ::) :o ;D


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on December 07, 2022, 08:18:14 am
Charll and Joey, I have several of these I consider 19th century especially the ones with the coral stones. Drilling the neck of a bottle is always a risky business, not to mention leaving signs of the drilling. I have seen older tops on new bottles to make them sell for more money.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on December 07, 2022, 06:25:56 pm
Dear John,

   I meant that old stoppers with this type of silver 'cork' may still be found,
and if the craftsman is already making a bottle, he can suit the neck of the
bottle to the 'cork'.
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on December 08, 2022, 08:31:19 am
Joey, I see your point but these stoppers are not that easy to find and they have become expensive. To add one to a new bottle I do not know if it would be cost effective. The next bottle [61mm] is possibly another floater. Nice handles and footrim, from an internet auction in 2014.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on December 08, 2022, 11:31:54 am
John,

   First of all, another gorgeous bottle with the type of Taotie I love.
But re.cost of stoppers:
With all due respect, you might know about their cost in the USA, etc.
You don't know how many are in storerooms in Shanghai, Beijing, etc.
I'm willing to bet that they have many still in stock
Many might have been melted down for the silver content, but I'd bet
that many are still in bins in the PRC.
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on December 10, 2022, 12:22:43 pm
Joey, there is a possibility that there are reserves of these stoppers in the PRC. The next bottle [50mm] looks kind of plain until you shine a light through it. Possibly a floater and very nice handles. From an internet auction in 2018.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on December 10, 2022, 05:59:00 pm
John,

The bottle illustrated in #79 is a real star!
The beautiful Taotie, the broad foot rim,
everything about it is perfect.
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on December 13, 2022, 11:57:19 am
The next bottle [56mm] is carved as a bamboo stalk. The interior is well hollowed. From an internet auction in 2016.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on December 13, 2022, 12:04:59 pm
John,

   A very interesting example.
I don't think I have seen one like it before.
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: bambooforrest on December 16, 2022, 07:29:07 am
This next example [56mm] has 4 raised panels, the sides ones concave. The interior is very well hollowed. From the Morris Lesser Collection I bought in 2009.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: joearp on December 16, 2022, 08:32:20 am
Another beautiful bottle.  Really nice clean lines.


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: rpfstoneman on December 16, 2022, 04:27:34 pm

John, this last bottle would be in my 'wheelhouse' of collecting.  Nice bottle.  Charll


Title: Re: Unadorned Agate Snuff Bottles
Post by: Joey on December 16, 2022, 07:48:24 pm
John,

  Another beauty! Thank you for posting.

Charll,

    What does "... in my 'wheelhouse' of collecting..."
mean when it's at home?
Best,
Joey