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Title: Hello from France
Post by: Solid_Snake on February 11, 2022, 09:17:36 pm
Hello everybody

I am an amateur who likes Chinese art, especially bronzes, I discovered snuff bottles recently and I find this field very interesting, I have bought some of them and I like to read and learn about your forum. I live in France.


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: Rube on February 12, 2022, 05:53:40 am
Welcome to the Forum!

Cheers,

Rube


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: George on February 12, 2022, 08:13:55 am
Warm welcome !


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: rpfstoneman on February 12, 2022, 09:15:23 pm
Most of us here are always willing to help out the beginning collector when possible.  Welcome.  Look forward to seeing how your collection has stated and forthcoming discussions.

Charll


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: Wattana on February 13, 2022, 05:20:47 am
Welcome to our forum Solid Snake,

Do you have a name?

Tom


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: Joey on February 13, 2022, 05:28:06 am
Yes, welcome from me as well.
What is your name, where in France do you live,
and how can we help you learn more about Chinese snuff bottles?
Best,
from Jerusalem Israel,
Joey Silver


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: Bob on February 13, 2022, 11:38:13 am
Welcome to the forum. The answers to any questions you might have can be found here.   Bob


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: bambooforrest on February 17, 2022, 11:37:39 am
A warm welcome as well!....John


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: OIB on February 26, 2022, 08:55:20 am
Welcome Solid Snake !

Regards
IB OOI


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: Solid_Snake on April 17, 2022, 01:59:13 am
Hello everybody
Thank you for your nice messages.

Thomas.


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: Joey on April 17, 2022, 04:25:56 am
Hello, Thomas.

   So, now that we know your first name;
where in France do you live,
how many snuff bottles do you have,
what type or types appeal to you,
and how can we help you learn more about Chinese snuff bottles?
Happy Passover and A Joyous Easter to all,
from Jerusalem Israel,
Joey Silver



Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush on April 17, 2022, 04:46:02 am
Bonjour Thomas,
welcome here. I am Giovanni, not so far from you, in fact I live in Italy.
You will find a lot of information here, scrolling through the old posts. You can also have a look at my collection; I collect snuff bottles and Chinese ceramics:
www.xipangu.co.uk/mangialupo/
Regards,
Giovanni



Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: richy88 on April 17, 2022, 11:23:49 pm
Welcome to the forum Thomas!

Look forward to seeing your bottles.

Regards.


Richard


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: Solid_Snake on April 19, 2022, 01:10:40 pm
@Richard : Thank you Richard !

Hello Joey,

I live near Paris.

I discovered the world of snuff bottles at the end of last year and I have bought 11 bottles for my "collection" so far, others that I like less that I have to put up for sale.
I really like stone snuff bottles and more generally simple ones...I have less trouble finding old ones.


Thank you for your message, I hope the Easter holidays went well


I have a few questions about some of my snuff bottles, can I ask them on this thread?

2 quick pics of my snuffs, sorry for the quality is from my phone.

@Giovanni,

Thank you Giovanni,
I have consulted your site several times since I discovered it, it is very pleasant to use and I had a lot of pleasure looking at your wonderful Chinese collections!




- hexagonal light smoky quartz bottle with one panel engraved : bought at local auctions
- smoky quartz : same local auctions
-rectangular ruby red glass bottle with two beast masks handles, bronze top : my second bought, local auctions.
- "agate" bottle with two boys in relief (aka cameo?) : my last bought from a famous english seller on the bay.
- bought as agate but glass for me double gourd bottle, metal top. rest of tobacco inside : local seller on the bay
- clear transparent quartz, pink stone top : local auctions
- my second bought sandwiched pink glass bottle : from danish seller on Troca
- funny quartz hexagonal bagua trigrams carved bottle (transparent and inside "frozen") : local auctions
- square white celadon jade bottle with beasts maks handles : bought at Paris flea market from a pro (told me bottle is from (1960-2000) but i love the carving and the material.
- 2 agate pebbles form,one moss agate the other one with russet : local auctions.

ive bought a big lot few days ago at local auctions, im waiting for them....wait and see  :D


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush on April 19, 2022, 03:38:45 pm
Dear Thomas,
what to say? Excellent start! I am sure that many of us has not started so well.
Each of your bottles are worth to be collected, congratulations. I know the double gourd one, I saw it several times on eBay and was really tempted by it. Happy to see that it went in good hands.
Bravo.
Kind regards
Giovanni
PS": thank you for your kind words about my collection


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: rpfstoneman on April 19, 2022, 03:47:04 pm

Thomas,

Yes, this is an excellent start and of much better quality then I normally see with a new snuff bottle collector.  You have a very good discerning eye.  From what I can see in the photos I would not have hesitated to add any of these bottles to my collection. 

Charll 


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: Joey on April 19, 2022, 05:11:24 pm
Thomas,

     I'm impressed!
My first 11 bottles were nowhere near as good as yours.
And the opinion of the 'pro' or not, the Nephrite looks ca.1760 -1820 to me.
I believe the Easter Holidays went well, though the Eastern Churches celebrate their
Easter Week from this coming Friday.
But as a Jew, I celebrate Passover, which ends this coming Friday night.
And has been great so far.
Best,
Joey


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: Bob on April 20, 2022, 05:01:14 am
I am really impressed! My first dozen went into the junk drawer after I stumbled upon a real bottle and realized my mistakes.   Bob                                                                                                                         


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: Fiveroosters aka clayandbrush on April 20, 2022, 05:12:29 am
Bravo. Not everybody has the eye of realizing so soon the difference between the good and the bad.
Giovanni



Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: Joey on April 20, 2022, 06:00:25 am
Dear Bob,

    My first 32 mistakes went into a furniture auction in Sotheby's Torquay, in 2 lots of 16 [!] in 1981,
with a UK£ 1,000 [at the time US$2,250] reserve.

And 'accidentally' sold for UK£ 100 each lot!!!

Thanks to good friends, Mercedes & Carlos Soler of Barcelona, who were there when I was told the news,
I got my UK£ 2,000 from Sotheby's without any charges.

But since Maggie Thatcher of blessed memory [and she really is - a great lady from her youth -
this amazing Righteous Gentile, at age 12 a rural grocer's daughter,
helped save a Jewish girl from Vienna, after Hitler occupied Austria.],
had devalued the UK £, I got US$3,500 instead of US$4,500.

And in retrospect, a 'boring' plain Calcined Jade, which was one of the 32,
I now realise, was definitely worthy of staying in my collection!

I'm sure most of you have heard of Eldred's Auctions in East Dennis MA in the USA.
Well, you may also have heard my 'famous' quip:
"Eldred's is to collectors, as graveyards are to Doctors;
It's where they hide their mistakes!"

Best,
Happy Passover,
Joey


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: bambooforrest on April 20, 2022, 07:32:32 am
Thomas, a really impressive collection for a new collector. Several of my first bottles were plastic....John


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: Wattana on April 20, 2022, 10:02:12 am
Thomas,

As others have already said, I too am impressed at the quality of these bottles. Congratulations!
It is hard to believe that you have only been colecting for a year.

I too like plain stone bottles. All of these are very "desirable"....!

Tom


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: Solid_Snake on April 21, 2022, 03:51:09 pm
Hello guys,

@Bob, @Charl, @John, @À M, thank you for your messages that make me happy.

@Giovanni
thank you.
I started Chinese art 3 years ago, I learned by buying a lot and making mistakes, my problem is that I like everything so I had porcelains, bronzes, jades, paintings, carvings or wooden objects… Fortunately, I resell what I don't like or if, on the contrary, the object is expensive.
I keep interesting objects for myself but not overpriced because I don't have a big income so I can't accumulate many treasures.
My number one area today is bronzes, Buddhas and Chinese deities and those of the Himalayas in general. I am not an expert or even a great connoisseur just an informed amateur (sometimes).

My eye was therefore exercised on a lot of quality objects... or not. I therefore arrive in the field of snuffboxes with some basics concerning “quality”. Nevertheless I haven't taken many risks until now because as you can see they are very simple bottles and that I bought at prices that I find reasonable, I would not have taken the risk of spending large sums and I had never bought an overlay before. Concerning the porcelain ones even if I know a little the field, they are often sold expensive.
I wrote until now because I just bought 10 days ago a lot of about 20 snuffboxes (overlay, stones and glass)… I haven't seen them in real life, not manipulated, I think that there will be a lot of mistakes! I will ask the opinion of the community when I receive them.

I also made mistakes on the snuffboxes, I bought a set of 3 glasses on  auctions in France and when I picked up the lot I saw that they were zero (lol).

Another "error" I bought a bottle described as embellished jade, the embellishment was not great but the white jade was immaculate, beautiful color, when I received the bottle it was light,nice stopper, but it was glass in imitation of jade so I returned the object.

For the double gourd, I love the shape, it dates around 1930? it was on sale for a long time, that's true. I seem to remember having paid 70 euros for it directly with the seller so even if modern It is ok.

@Joey
Thanks Joey,
I made the remark to myself after answering, So I wish you a good end of celebration tomorrow.
Regarding the jade, I will post some photos to get your opinion. The guy that's why I wrote pro but not a pro in snuffboxes. I think he didn't want to commit to an old period so for safety he sells it as contemporary. It is relatively well hollowed out and the walls are not very thick, I can clearly see the shadow of my fingers through it, but the inside is a little rough I think.


i use google translate so my messages are not perfect sorry.


Title: Re: Hello from France
Post by: YT on April 21, 2022, 10:53:59 pm
Dear Thomas,

Your way of collecting is safe and worth passing down to future collectors.
All of us seems to make a lot of mistakes till finding the one really good Snuff Bottle.

The attraction of a good bottle has kept all of us here in the forum still collecting despite the earlier mistakes.
I am currently in a state of slowing down the buying and thinking of selling those mistakes.

Have fun and the best of luck for these new batch that is arriving. Unboxing can be quite nerve wreaking.

Cheers,
YT