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« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2016, 11:19:04 pm »

Dear Steven,

Thank you. Sometimes it is difficult to determine cost when I only just started collecting. This is one of the nicest rare triple layer on caramel that I have ever seen.
My next closest comparison was this https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19621/lot/90/

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« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2016, 08:22:30 am »

Dear YT,

    Lot 90 from Bonham's IS one of the finest if not the finest of that small choice group. It's price reflected that.
A SUPERB example. Was that in Bonham's in Nov.2011, from a Bloch Sale?

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« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2016, 08:56:11 am »

Dear YT,

    Lot 90 from Bonham's IS one of the finest if not the finest of that small choice group. It's price reflected that.
A SUPERB example. Was that in Bonham's in Nov.2011, from a Bloch Sale?

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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2016, 06:08:42 am »

Dear YT and Tom B.,

Many thanks to you both for your comments, and for sharing those wonderful examples.
I am only just catching up on emails dated 13 April onwards, as I have been away and mainly offline for the last month.

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« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2016, 04:21:42 am »

Dear YT,

What a small world we collectors live in!

When you get a chance I would love to see some photos of all 4 elevation views. I am curious to see how close a match to my wood bottle it really is.

Best,
Tom

Dear Tom,

I think I owe you some photos.  Grin

I was surprised that I missed out on the glaze at some parts of the bottle until I see it on my hand. The auction photos were not reflecting these. Look at the robes on the ladies.

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YT

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« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2016, 06:59:44 am »

One beautiful bottle YT !

What am I looking at where some of the areas on the motif appear more glass like ?
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« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2016, 07:18:20 am »

Dear George,

Let me enlarged.

The carving is in high relief too.

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« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2016, 08:54:04 am »

Ah, ok... Thank you YT ..
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« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2016, 09:23:04 am »

Dear YT,

I was thinking of that biscuit bottle of yours just the other day! Many thanks for the photos. It is one of the closest matches to my wood bottle of the same design. Even so, I see there are some notable differences. It is clearly not an exact copy.....see here for comparison:
http://snuffbottle.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,980.msg7571.html#msg7571

Anyway, a very attractive bottle - one of the best of this type I have seen. If you ever decide to part with it, let me know.....   Wink

All best,
Tom
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« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2016, 12:45:38 pm »

Dear YT,

    Many of the finest of that type, have clear glaze on the garments of the bisque figures,
as exemplified by your example.
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« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2016, 07:22:27 pm »

Dear Tom,

Thank you, I will take note of your request.


Dear Joey,

Thought I was getting a nice almond biscuit. Looking at the glaze all over will make it inedible now  Grin

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« Reply #51 on: May 24, 2016, 08:16:09 pm »

Dear YT,

Maybe it's a sugar glaze. Have you tried licking it?   Tongue

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« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2016, 08:42:45 pm »

hahahaha...
We will let you Tongue try that when you hop by Singapore.
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« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2016, 09:08:02 pm »

Careful - it may be too tasty to give back...!

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« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2019, 06:46:46 pm »

All,

Had some time today to resume my snuff bottle cataloging and documentation.   This bottle is a recent purchase from August 2019.

Carved Wood with Eight Horses Snuff Bottle:
An antique Chinese snuff bottle of medium density carved wood with the “8 imperial horses of Mu Wang” as the design.  A unique example not seen with other wood bottles.  Instead of being bored and hollowed this bottle was formed from by gluing of two halves of wood together (note side seams).  Each half was likely roughly formed to a basic bottle shape with a carved inset to form the bottle center or hollow.  By this manner the interior of the bottle could be well hollowed, finished smooth, and sealed by a wax or oil.  The roughly shaped halves were then glued together, and the artist proceeded to carve the outer wood block to its final shape with the horse carvings.  Nice patina to the carved wood.  The bottle is 2 ¾ inches (7.0 cm) tall by 2 ¼ inches (5.7 cm) wide without the stopper, and 3 inches tall including simulated ivory stopper. 

Period: Likely 1850-1930.

Provenance: Purported to be from the late Professor Peter Greiner estate collection.  Note: Dr. Peter M. Greiner (1940-2013) was a lifelong collector and student of Chinese art.

Follow-up Info: The Eight Horses of Wang Mu The eight horses of King Mu of the Zhou Dynasty was a popular theme for porcelain decorations from the Transitional into the Yongzheng period (1723-35). The story originates from a historical romance, the Mu tianzhi zhuan (An Account of Emperor Mu), which describes the journeys of the fifth emperor of the Zhou dynasty (1023-983 BC) during which he met Xi Wangmu - the Queen Mother of the West - at Yaozhi (the Jade Pond).

The story is about King (Wang) Mu, who dreamed of being an immortal God. He was determined to visit the heavenly paradise and taste the peaches of immortality. A brave charioteer named Zaofu used his chariot to carry the king to his destination.

During these travels the emperor's chariot was pulled by eight horses named after the color of their hair. Another account, the 4th  century book, the Shiyiji (Researches into Lost Records) has it that the horses' names reflected their unusual talents; Number 1 gallops without touching the ground; Number 2 runs faster than birds; Number 3 goes especially fast at night; Number 4 goes as fast as the shadow of the sun; Number 5 is especially well-groomed with a splendid mane; Number 6 runs so fast that one can see a row of ten images of him; Number 7 rides on a cloud; Number 8 has wings."

The Eight Horses of Mu Wang became a popular subject among later poets and artists and a symbol for the vehicle or journeys of any emperor [Source; https://gotheborg.com/]

Enjoy, Charll



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« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2019, 07:29:41 pm »

Wonderful and unique bottle Charll.

The horses all seem to have been intentionally carved with smiles !

I did not know about the connection between the 8 Imperial horses of Wang Mu and a "historical romance, the Mu tianzhi zhuan (An Account of Emperor Mu), which describes the journeys of the fifth emperor of the Zhou dynasty (1023-983 BC) during which he met Xi Wangmu - the Queen Mother of the West - at Yaozhi (the Jade Pond)".

Thank you for sharing and as usual an excellent summary of the bottle and theme !
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« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2019, 02:22:33 am »

Dear George,

     Same Mu Wang [King/Emperor Mu], same 'Ba Ma' [8 Horses]...
 Roll Eyes Grin

Nicely carved, Charll.

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« Reply #57 on: October 22, 2019, 06:41:14 am »

Cool bottle, Charl!

Cheers,

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« Reply #58 on: October 22, 2019, 10:09:34 am »

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The horses all seem to have been intentionally carved with smiles !

George, all my horses are happy!!!!  Grin  Honestly, it must have something to due with the Chinese's outlook for every horse motif bottle I have has smiling horses. 

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« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2019, 01:21:15 pm »

Dear Charll,
really nice and interesting bottle. I never see a wood bottle made in two halves.
The eight horses of Mu Wang become one of my favorite motifs after finding my first Kangxi vase with that motif, many years ago.
I thought that the bottle was boxwood but it isn’t. Nice stopper too.
Congratulations,
Giovanni
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