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« on: April 30, 2012, 11:31:15 am »

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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2012, 12:30:35 pm »

All,

In Los Angeles looking at snuff bottles.  Not as many sources to purchase bottles as I would have thought.  Spent most of yesterday at Ji Hing & Company in Chinatown looking at bottles.  Bob Lee, the owner and member of the ICSBS, has over 1500 bottles.  I think I only looked at less than a third of them, and going back today.  

Did purchase a blue and white landscape porcelain bottle with what I think is an unusual mark. The bottle has a Xuande mark (Ming Emperor Xuan Zong, 1426-1435) in two horizontal lines on the base.  The bottle is of a much later period of course, with the mark only being a tribute to the earlier period.  Now I just need to find out why that was done.  Will post pics the bottle when I get the chance.

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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2012, 01:15:13 pm »

Wow, 1500 bottles:) I guess it will take a while to look all of his bottles:)

- Charll,

I have seen a couple of Xuan de mark bottles, but they are all moderns , I guess the painter just picked whatever the mark he/she want to paint:)

But I do believe that there is Xuan de mark bottles made in Kangxi period or Qianlong period, Ming Xuande is a peak period for chinese porcelain, lots of copies from the later period, style wise and mark.
Looking forward to seeing your bottle:)

I went to a local auction house last Friday,  trying to hunt some bottles, but no lucky, either bad quality ones or out of my budget, it turned out that I bought a Tongzhi period vase which was badly cracked, but beautiful painting. I keep remind me don't buy anything so bad shape, but sometimes you just can resist it:)

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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2012, 01:18:59 pm »

found a modern Yangzhou style snuff bottle, very pretty!  I guess even its modern, its very worth the price:)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/For-Serious-Collector-Premium-quality-Fisherman-overlay-glass-snuff-bottle?item=200751798134&cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8090561565704388370#ht_500wt_1156
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2012, 03:38:55 am »

Charll,
     The Chenghua reign (1465-1487) in the Ming dynasty was considered the period of the finest porcelain in China's history. Thus, putting a Chenghua mark on a Qing blue & white piece was sort of a homage to that.
     The Jiajing reign (1522-1566) in the Ming dynasty (as opposed to  Jiaqing, a Qing dynasty emperor, 1796-1820), was famous for the deep purply-blue tones of its cobalt blue. Bottles with a Jiajing mark, and the same deep purply-blue tones, tend to be an homage to that.
 The Xuande reign in the Ming dynasty was considered a high point in bronze production during the Qing dynasty. And so one finds many 18th & 19th C. bronzes with the Xuande marks, in homage to that. I don't know why a blue and white would be sporting a Xuande mark...
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2012, 04:11:07 pm »

Joey,

Thanks for the comments and insight.  I was just presenting what Bob Lee inferred about the mark.  Charll
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2012, 08:09:39 pm »

Charll,
   I appreciate that, but I honestly don't understand why a Xuande mark would be found on a blue & white porcelain bottle, because, as far as I remember, Xuande's was not a reign noted for its blue & white porcelains. I could be wrong, however.
I'll try to find info one way or another.
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