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« on: February 18, 2012, 03:47:10 am »

I let myself veer a bit off track during tonights hunt for Middle Period IP bottles !  Cheesy

I don't have a Cloisonne bottle in my collection, and do like them..

This looks to be genuinely old, so will make for a nice addition ..

I especially like the unique shape, and the actual cloisonne work is really pretty good.

Not nearly as nice as the super detailed one that Charll shared with me though !!


3" tall..





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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2012, 08:15:55 am »

Hi George ,

I will stay away from it , i am not familiar with  Cloisonne  at all, but. The old looking is not natural at all, if its old bottle ,the worn out will be on certain area, not everywhere, that is my humble opinion..

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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2012, 01:47:33 pm »

Thanks Steven.. Neither am I an expert with these..

Nobody else here seem all that impressed either !  Cheesy

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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2012, 02:36:28 pm »

Sorry George, no I'm not impressed with this one.  I agree with Steven.  Charll
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2012, 03:03:13 pm »

It's not even on my shelf yet, and already starting to get that "dicscard the bottle" feeling !

It's ok guys..  Wink  I am actually chuckling to myself while typing because just can''t help but love the honesty !  Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2012, 04:32:39 pm »

I have to say, my first reaction, was that this WAS early. Then I read Steven's and Charll's comments, went back to look again, and honestly don't know. The ornate stuff is definitely modern, because of the improvements in kiln technology. The simpler ones like this, CAN be older. But obviously, a simpler design is simpler to fake.
  I wish I could state with assurance that this IS  or IS NOT older; sorry, I can't. I need to see it. George, could you bring this one with you to Portland? I'll be able to make a better judgement live.
  Hey, why don't we (those from the Forum who will be attending Portland in Oct.)  each bring  a few bottles, and have a 'show and tell' just for Forum members at the convention? I'm off the Board in April (end of my term), so my time is all my own (no need to help Vince or anyone else, unless I feel like it). Think about it, guys.
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2012, 08:12:12 am »

One rule of thumb that dealers, who shall not be named because they are out of favor with some Forum members, is that the "uglier" the bottle, the more likely it is old.  Nonetheless, one thing that pops out at me is the fact the stopper appears to be original - something that is unusual in older bottles simply because it is so easy to change out stoppers, and not uncommon for collectors to "mix and match" at whim.  So, my "gut" tells me nice reproduction...However, sometimes, free advice is worth just that...
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2012, 09:19:33 am »

    Unusual but definitely not unheard of. And the stopper is gilded bronze, not cloissonne. It could well be genuine, as could the bottle.
    I'd still vote for bringing it to Portland, George. I'm bringing my boxwood 'netsuke' style turtle carving, and I've asked Charll to bring his 'netsuke' style turtle snuff bottle. I'm also bringing my Ming (I believe) white nephrite bi disc, so I (we) can compare quality of carving to white nephrite snuff bottles on offer.
    That's all I'm bringing - they both fit in the same little padded box, and I'm flying Tel Aviv-Toronto-Seattle- (train to Portland, car to Eureka, and on to SFO and Sunnyvale and )San Francisco-Honolulu-Los Angeles-Tel Aviv, only carry-on, so I have to travel light. And I hope to buy a bottle or three at the convention.
  Best, Joey
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