Ch'en Chung san bottles

[George]

I know won't be able to bid on these, but wanted to share them ..

Auction link...

Starting bid is a couple hundred..

[Steven]

It definitely not painted by ye, its not that difficult to tell ye's bottle, he really likes to use bright red and green color, which make his style big different from other artist...

[George]

Do I have the signatures mixed up ??

I thought this was Ch'en Chung san signature..

[Pat - 查尚杰]

This is 'newer' blown glass from 60s/70s at best and intended to deceive.  I would go as far to say that the bottles were made in 2 steps. Photo-etched imprint and then coloured in.  Only high res pics would tell the tale. 

[George]

Actually, now that you mention it, they do look similar in appearance to the twin Yeh bottle ..

[Steven]

When I looked it again, I would say the bottle is definitely old, it might from ye's family, or old bottle be repaint by later artist, I kind of like the left one..

[George]

Think I agree with Pat..

Especially when I put em side by side to a recent Yeh bottle that I sent Pat.

That aside, I think what is bugging me is the odds of offering up two extremely similar in appearance bottles at the same time.. Maybe that is off base.. Just an observation.

Remembering that I am not nearly as qualified in judging as others here ! Just my two cents 

 

[Pat - 查尚杰]

FOR THE RECORD: These are for sure not middle period style bottles, not in shape nor quality.  Any IPB artist of that period would not have been caught dead in that kind of glass medium.  Furthermore, NO glass bottle could have retained that shine and new look...  By the way, the 'sanding' comment earlier by Steven in another thread is not so far off-base.  There is a process used to 'fake' old glass.  Not sure how it is done but a lot of the cheap export/tourist type produced bottles from the Shandong artists (50s/60s..) come with 'faked' pock marks, scratches etc..  Virtually all of these bottles carry many of the old master's names but clearly are not and never will be mistaken for the real thing by anyone 'in the know'.  I am not sure who they intended to fool but some of them are quite interesting both in shape and subject matter.   I have a few dozen different ones of these that I kept just for the different shapes and their 'look'. In the end, the 'look' is kind of like agate inside painted bottles.  Almost always these bottles have light brown/sepia to dark brown background shade/color.  The end result is a diffused painting inside the glass.  Seems like it would have been a lot of work to even go through this process.