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« on: November 08, 2011, 07:03:21 pm »

Found this one in an antique shop in the city today.

Nothing all that special, but buying it gave a temporary cure for my snuff bottle fix Grin



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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2011, 08:33:17 pm »

Nice one George.  One thing that is a bit disconcerting about the overlay bottles is that there is really no way to know if they are new or old,.. It amazes me what kind of prices these things are fetching in auctions without really ANY proof of age, no signature, no nothing.  Mind baffling,....
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2011, 08:53:11 pm »

I totally agree Pat..

The one thing that can't be seen in the pic, is that the blue overlay, especially towards the bottom of this bottle shows significant handling. It is like it was handled a lot and shows what appears to be wear/smoothing from handling.

That is the only indicator that I went by that sort of made me think this particular bottle could be a little older.

Otherwise, if I were to purchase any further overlay bottles, I would base a great deal on the underlying glass that the bottle is made of.

"The basic ground colors of early overlay bottles were clear, white, or milk glass, sometimes with inclusions of fine bubbles called camphor, snowflakes, or snowstorm ( 193, 198). Bubble-suffused glass, also ranging in opacity from clear through milky white, would contain inclusions of such "snowflakes."

I did not pay much for this one. We agreed on a fraction of the 60.00 they priced it at ..
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2012, 04:05:10 pm »

Also modern, but well made and a bargain. Well done!
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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2013, 04:37:50 am »

I am re-typing this in case I have lost the earlier one during my attempt to transfer the photo directly from my folder.

The bottle, made in the late 80's / early 90's, is a two-color overlay carved with the theme of squirrel amongs branches on both faces. This was one of my purchases when I just started collecting snuff bottles in 1990/91.

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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2013, 05:01:00 am »

Inn Bok,

A nicely made modern bottle. This is what I would term a double-overlay bottle, because the one colour is overlaid upon the other.

A two-colour overlay, strictly speaking, is one where the two colours are laid side-by-side on the same plane. Often this latter type of bottle can be found with three, four, five, and even six colours (a six-colour overlay).

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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2013, 07:16:26 am »

Tom,

Thank you. I had some mental block when trying to describe the bottle !
' double overlay ' just refused to come to mind.

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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2013, 07:24:03 am »

I wonder if "double dipped" might be a good description.. Which this appears to be from what I can see of the top and base.. As compared to 3, 4, and 5 colored overlays where the glass is globbed on top of each other..
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2013, 01:16:38 pm »

George,
  "Double-dipped" works for icecream cones, NOT for overlay snuff bottles.  Grin
I called bottles with multiple colours on one level, multi-coloured single overlay, or, depending on the number of colours, two-colour single overlay, three-colour single overlay, etc.
  If there are two or more layers on a base layer, where it is say blue on green on camphor (or snowflake), that is double overlay...
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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2013, 07:44:57 pm »

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I like your description, makes most sense.
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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2013, 07:50:05 pm »

Thank you, Pat.
     But I must tell you that I got the descriptions from YF Yang, when I asked him about how to describe the different types of applied decoration of glass on glass (as opposed to inlaid stone and other materials inset into glass a la Pietra Dura).
     I used to describe it as "blobs of glass in red, blue, green and black, stuck on milk (or camphor, much more common than milk) glass, and then carved". Really sophisticated, huh?!  Wink
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2013, 07:56:39 pm »

Nothing wrong with learning the right terms, and giving credit to what seems to be a very nice man.  I have half a dozen or so (maybe up to 10)  bottles with provenance from Y.F. Yang that I acquired over the years, two of which a 1895 Le San and a Ding Guiling bottle. These 2 I recall easiest as after all I am primarily IPB collector (although I have a wide range).  Unfortunate that the Le San doesn't go documented and explained beyond that, but hey, good enough for me.   
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