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December 12, 2018, 11:45:47 am
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2 x Zhou Leyuan bottles ?

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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2017, 08:04:46 am »

Hi Rube,

My first pictures were taken prior to it having had a gentle wipe with a q tip which hasn't removed all the snuff by any means, it does seem to cling on, probably due to some oils in the snuff.

The wear on the signature calligraphy was there when I bought it and there is a possibility that someone previously had an attempt at cleaning it as the wear is mainly in a narrow band. I think it is the wear making the two sides of calligraphy look different.

It isn't helped by the wear on the bottle which is covered in scratches which dull the whole effect of the painting, it's clearly a bottle that was well used. It's the old question, keep the patina of use and age or polish the surface so the painting can be seen as the artist intended ?

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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2018, 09:20:56 am »

I'm adding this very recent purchase here as it is so similar in its style and in the rendering of a Zhou Leyuan signature to the second bottle in my first post which was thought to be painted by Yan Yutian. Height is 58mm.

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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2018, 11:55:08 am »

Dear Adrian,

    This bottle definitely looks like it is by Yan Yutian.
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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2018, 09:55:37 am »

Adrian,

I like these sparsely painted bottles, especially the dragon fly. And I agree with you about the signature.

Congrats,

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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2018, 03:09:05 am »

Adding another Zhou Leyuan signed bottle but the reverse is too poorly executed to be by him and is not reminiscent of Yan Yutian either. The front is painted better and is a subject Zhou Leyuan painted. Any other suggestions as to an artist ?

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« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2018, 03:29:02 am »

Another nice find Adrian..

Can not tell exactly what the painting on the back is...

I did not know that 19th and early 20th artists were known to have painted within the same bottles like Modern and Very Modern artists do.
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« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2018, 08:58:32 am »

Hi George,

The reverse is a still life, flowers in pots type, pretty standard subject but looks poorly done although the label and snuff stains aren't helping.


I wasn't meaning to imply that I thought different artists may have painted the front and back, more that there was a discrepancy between the front and back in quality.


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« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2018, 09:00:39 am »

Adrian,

Could it be Tang Zichaun?

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« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2018, 09:22:48 am »

George,

I didn't know that Modern and Very Modern artists painted on the same bottles!  Do you have any examples of this type of collaboration?

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« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2018, 10:21:32 am »

George,

I didn't know that Modern and Very Modern artists painted on the same bottles!  Do you have any examples of this type of collaboration?

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Rube.

No... Did not mean that a M artist and VM artist painted the same bottles.. I meant that two artist from M period have been know to paint the same bottle, just as two artists from VM period have painted within the same bottle. 
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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2018, 03:44:07 am »

Adrian,

Could it be Tang Zichaun?

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Rube

I want to think Rube is right here.. Yet the Tang Zichaun, ZLY signed bottles I can find do not match Tang's calligraphy style for signing ZLY..

Maybe Yan Yutian ?
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« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2018, 01:29:53 am »

Hi George and Rube,

I haven't found any Tang Zichaun to be able to compare it with as yet. I would expect Yan Yutian to have painted a still life better than the reverse of this bottle as it was something he painted on a regular basis.

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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2018, 05:21:53 am »

Hi George and Rube,

I haven't found any Tang Zichuan to be able to compare it with as yet. I would expect Yan Yutian to have painted a still life better than the reverse of this bottle as it was something he painted on a regular basis.

Regards, Adrian.

Here is an example of how Tang Zichaun signs ZLY...
https://snuffbottle.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,3020.msg40966.html#msg40966

You may be right about Yan Yutian having been better at still life than the painting on your bottle.




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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2018, 05:19:06 pm »

Guys, the artist's name is correctly written in Pinyin, as 'Tang Zichuan'.

    I know of Modern IPSBs [1950 to today] which were a collaboration by two artists, but usually they were by a husband and wife 'team'. I don't have a copy of CIPMA, but they are featured in it.
    But there is also a possibility that the bottle I posted with a monkey and lingzhi fungus subject with Zhuanshu and Kaishu calligraphy panels on the reverse, with a false Zhou Leyuan signature, could be a collaboration between Yan Yutian [if the painting is by YYT] and a different, as yet unidentified calligrapher.

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« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2018, 06:15:14 pm »

George,

The last bottle you posted by Tang Zichaun was exhibited in the dealers room at the convention, it's a nice one!

Cheers,

Rube.
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