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« on: April 29, 2017, 03:43:42 am »

This is one of a group of four bottles I bought recently.

Looking on Bills site there are a number of the same bottles he dates between 1890 and 1905, many with similar themes.

The date seems to be i-wei, 1895, and there is a Zhong as part of the signature but I can't make out the other parts.

Height is 52 mm.

Another one of the four bottles is an Ip'd brown glass bottle of rounded shape which is again similar to a number on Bills site, none dated or signed. Might add pictures later.

Regards, Adrian.


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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2017, 03:58:51 am »

Love the bottle Adrian...

Not sure who Zhong might be...

Congratulations !
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2017, 07:02:43 am »

Hi Adrian

It's says.... 仲冬, middle of winter

Nice bottle......

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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2017, 05:50:06 am »

Adrian,

That's a neat bottle!  I like the expressive brushstrokes representing reeds behind the duck, and the fact that there are two different colored stoppers.

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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2017, 10:28:18 am »

Thanks for the comments and thanks for the translation Pin.

I had assumed it was a signature when I saw the first symbol was Zhong, I wasn't aware of there being other interpretations of a symbol.

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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2017, 02:30:32 am »

I was looking on Bills site and saw a very similar style of painting in a bottle given as by Shi Yi Chou Zhong.

Shi Yi seems to be an artist, would Chou Zhong be an artist as it fits with the Zhong character that I identified.

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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2017, 08:19:41 am »

Dear Adrian,

    The character 'Zhong' means 'middle'.
Thus, 'Zhong Guo', means "[The] Middle Kingdom" (China).
If we take the name 'Ye Zhongsan', 'Ye' is the surname, while 'Zhongsan' literally means
"Third Middle [Son]".
Have you ever seen the old "Charlie Chan" mystery programs? Among the characters was "Number One Son", etc.

    Also, Chinese is a very old, and very complex language. One example is that there are so many styles of calligraphy.

    By comparison, Hebrew is as old if not older (ca.3200-3400 years old), but we have Ancient Hebrew script, also called 'proto-Canaanite' (but 'Canaanite' never developed as a language; the script was adopted by us and by the Philistines, and then became the basis for all the Western alphabetic languages, such as Greek, Latin, etc.; but how can one have a 'proto-' without the object it is 'proto' to?).

      'Modern' Hebrew in 'Assyrian Square Script', was adopted when we were vassals of the Assyrian Empire, ca.750-700 BCE (or over 2700 years ago! How's that for 'new'?!).

 Until the late 2nd Temple Period (Our 2nd Temple  was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE, 1950 years ago [But don't worry, dear Giovanni; I don't hold it personally against you!  Shocked Cheesy], the old script was still used, but only to write the Tetragrammaton (the four letter name of G-D, mispronounced by the Witnesses as 'Jehovah'  Roll Eyes Grin), on scrolls otherwise written in the 'new' script. So, essentially, it was replaced by the Assyrian square script at least 2500 years ago. But see: only 2 scripts.

   Chinese has a number of styles of Zhuanshu (Archaic script), as well as Kaishu ('Standard' script), Lishu (Clerical script, mainly used for monumental inscriptions), Caoshu (Running, or Grass script, used mainly for artistic compositions such as poetry, prose and calligraphic work),  Xingshu (sorry, I don't know how to translate this one. Me bad. Shocked Roll Eyes ), and Xingkaishu (a combination of Kaishu and Xingshu, but see above. I don't know how to describe this one either.).
A MUCH more complex language than Hebrew, and there are layers and layers of complexity and meaning IN the language; I've just touched on 'fonts' in effect.
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Shabbat Shalom,
Joey
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2017, 09:04:35 am »

Dear Joey,

An impressive analysis on the fonts of our old language! Even I didn't know that much about it... Roll Eyes Have you ever considered to be a sinologist? You have every potential to be an outstanding one... Smiley

Shabbat Shalom,
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2017, 09:12:29 am »

Dear Samson,
 
      Thank you very much.
But I'm good at the broad strokes, and they say that "G-D Is In the details". Experts today know more and more about less and less, till they know everything about nothing!
I like being a 'generalist' (ie., LAZY! Roll Eyes Grin Shocked).
Best to all from Old Town Alexandria VA.
Shabbat Shalom,
Joey



Dear Joey,

An impressive analysis on the fonts of our old language! Even I didn't know that much about it... Roll Eyes Have you ever considered to be a sinologist? You have every potential to be an outstanding one... Smiley

Shabbat Shalom,
Samson
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