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« on: April 02, 2017, 09:47:41 pm »

Dear Members,

I noticed this bottle sold today on eBay (I bid, but did not win). I am confident it is rutilated quartz with some kind of prunus carving. The seller advertised as 19th Century, but the shape and poor carving (especially around the neck) quality make me think it is more modern. Any thoughts?

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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2017, 09:50:48 pm »

Brian

Hard to tell from the pics.  Nice bottle.  It could be late 19th, but just as well could be modern (1960s/70s).   The spoon looks interesting too....
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2017, 09:58:21 pm »

Hi Brian,

This could be late 19th century, or else very modern - 1990 onwards. It does not seem consistent with production from the 1960s and 70s.

Do you know how tall it is, and how much it went for?

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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2017, 09:59:35 pm »

It is about 2 5/8 inches. It went for less than $100.

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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2017, 10:02:47 pm »

A bargain, even for a modern bottle!

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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2017, 10:05:22 pm »

Tom, here it is if you want to take a closer look:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Chinese-Hair-Crystal-Snuff-Bottle-Rutilated-Quartz-19th-Qing-Embellished-/132136341551?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=s23VaF7z0AkmmHA9E2MJvmUfFms%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2017, 10:20:45 pm »

Hi Tom

We seem to agree on potentially late 19th.  However, I am off on 60s/70s.  Can you please explain why?  Always looking to learn more...

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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2017, 02:21:15 pm »

Nice bottle in my eyes, but is the stopper made on porcelain? I don't like this stopper.
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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2017, 09:32:50 pm »


We seem to agree on potentially late 19th.  However, I am off on 60s/70s.  Can you please explain why?  Always looking to learn more...


Hi Pat,

This is just my opinion, so you are at liberty to disagree.

    There are some anomalies in the features of this bottle. The overall shape, degree of hollowing and quality of finish are similar to what I'd expect to see on a 19th century bottle. And the foot rim is very convincing. (You may remember a bottle I showed you recently with a foot rim like this.)
    Almost all of the quartz bottles I have seen from the 1960s and 70s are well below this standard, and were not attempting to fake something old. They have a certain rustic charm, and I bought quite a number at the time.
    It is only since the value of snuff bottles began to rise significantly in the early 1990s that workshops made efforts to raise the quality, with the intention of passing them off as older bottles. So, when I see a bottle like the one Brian posted, I tend to date it either as late 19th to early 20th century, or post-1990.
    The one anomaly for me is the incised carving, which seems comparatively crude. If the bottle is indeed old, the carving may have been added later to enhance its value. IMO it would be a more attractive bottle without the carving.

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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2017, 09:49:09 pm »

Thanks Tom!  How you explain it makes perfect sense to me now.
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2017, 09:51:58 pm »

You're welcome Pat.   Wink

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