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WHO IS STILL INTERESTED IN VMIPS these days ?

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« on: February 16, 2017, 09:47:45 am »

Hi All,
 
WHO IS STILL   INTERESTED  IN  VMIPS   ....these  days ?

It's  gone  kind of   quiet  on the   Forum  re  VMIPBs  (=  Very  Modern  Inside  Painted  Bottles)

The  "Very" means   either  post- 1990  or  post- 2000  depending on  what  definition you  choose

There's a  lot  of debate  on the  Forum  about this  and  (if I  recall  correctly) the  consensus   was  post-2000  as a  convenient  new  "era",  thus  coinciding   with the  new   millennium.

But  the  majority  of  Singapore  VMIPB  collectors  would   vote  for    post-1990  (e.g.  Wang  Guanyu)  and  I  would  have  to  agree  with them

But  ANYWAY  ....  regardless  of  whether  it's 1990  or  2000 who really cares?  :

WHO  IS  INTERESTED  TO  DISCUSS  AND  WHO IS  STILL  COLLECTING  VMIPS ?

Please   remember  that  this  is  THE  only  sub-segment  of   SB-IPB   collecting  where  one  can  actually   still   go to  China  and  MEET  the   artists  ! 

 (That for me  is a  big  thing ...  think  of  collecting  modern  art  paintings  and  being  able  to meet  Picasso  or  Jackson Pollack  -  in person  !)

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Peter
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2017, 08:43:22 pm »

I haven't posted recently on the Forum because I'm not qualified to comment on non-IP bottles and my own recent IP acquisitions have been 'a bit dodgy' I think. But in response to Peter's request, I will post this one.

I've called it "Scholars in the Snow". I purchased it from Bill Patrick (at a very reasonable price - I believe it's on his website as "Ride in the Snow"), and it's a copy of a bottle by Liu Shouben (including the signature which is an obvious copy). Here it is






Here is the signature and titles, dated 1997 - but who knows as it's a copy. That must be the earliest date, so it fits Peter's description of VMIPs.

The bottle itself is darker as shown here, (the glass is artificial brown crystal according to Bill) so I've lightened it above to see the painting better. 




Bill Patrick was told by the owner of this bottle that it was painted by Zheng Xuye ("A New Look" page 133 and 136) who was a student of Liu Shouben and also a friend of the bottle owner. But I'm not sure it's by her, the calligraphy quality doesn't look to be at her standard - I'm interested in any other opinions.

But I don't mind, I just like the bottle and the subject which suits my taste, the quality is quite good and it would be much much cheaper than the original Liu Shouben bottle. Actually this is a common subject to copy, other bottles appear in "A New Look" on pages 140 and 164.

"A group high civil servants and distinguished personalities rides with its donkeys in the snow in order to enjoy the beautiful snow landscape"

Does anyone know where the original painting comes from?

Geoff
 




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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2017, 08:59:27 pm »

Really enjoy VM artists.. One of my favorite artists is Dylan Shu who I hope to commission a bottle with sometime.

Interested very much in VM artist. I did just commission a couple of calligraphy bottles by Tie Ming, and considering to find a VM artist extra skilled at painting dragons in the near future. 

Currently, it is just to expensive for me to collect both Middle and Very Modern.

So yes, am still interested in VMIP these days..

Beautiful bottle Geoff !
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2017, 08:59:53 pm »

Geoff

That is a very nice bottle, regardless if it is a copy or not.   Very well painted, and I like the dark tint.   As the calligraphy matching Zheng Xuye, I am not qualified to judge, but as we all know, the quality of signatures can change, as some artist just are not very good at it, and sometimes do a better job than other times.

I am still interested in VMIP but I have deviated my attention, focus, and budget almost entirely to MPIP.  Anyone interested in some of the non-MPIP bottles I have already posted in my own 'Pat Collection' thread here, please let me know, and make me an offer, if you so desire...

As to the VMIP I already own, I am probably going to dispose over time all, except CIPMA artists, landscapes and portraits.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2017, 11:39:05 pm »

Dear all,

I had the privilege to see this beautiful IP bottle of Geoff in a recent meeting with him. Gorgeous painting. Like Pat suggested, I actually share the same liking for the dark tint of the bottle. I was telling Geoff since Zheng Xuye herself was quite a renown artist, so why didn't she sign her name on it... But there's a possibility it's actually the work of someone else.

In any case, a very beautiful and desirable bottle that really stands out!

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Samson

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2017, 01:49:13 am »

Hi Geoff

I am really puzzled  by  that  lovely  Zheng Xuye  bottle.

Go to Bill  Patrick's website and  see his  entire  collection of  Zheng Xuye  bottles (they  are also  in my  DB)

Go to   : 
http://www.snuffbottlecollector.com/zheng_xuye/zheng_xuye_1.htm
and then  click NEXT

It would  be worthwhile  to ask Bill  how and  when he   acquired  those  bottles.

Seems  he bought  the entire  collection  from another  collector (a  German  guy  because the  bottle  descriptions on Bill's website  are  in English and  German ? )

Zheng  Xuye  is  a  really  early  Modern Period  artist  and  so  I   would be  surprised  that she  was still  painting  in 1997.

However, from the   quality  of the   artwork  I  would  say that  whoever  painted  that bottle  is  a very  skilled and  "mature"  artist

Cheers
Peter


* CC Zheng Xuyue @ CIPMA Jing School Intro - Copy.jpg (74.66 KB, 717x1024 - viewed 5 times.)
* 1981 List - Page 1.pdf (375.88 KB - downloaded 2 times.)
* Zheng Xuye.doc (27 KB - downloaded 1 times.)
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2017, 02:59:23 am »

Yes, you are right Peter.

Bill said he bought a collection "years ago" from a German engineer who lived in Beijing and who knew Zheng Xuye personally and "even had her come to Germany for an exhibition".

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2017, 03:36:22 am »

Hi Geoff,

OK-  La !
Then I bet it is a genuine  Zheng  Xuye, therefore  not only  beautiful  but also  rare  (and  potentially valuable)
I assume  you  have  checked  out  Bill's  website for more  details.

Pity  that  she  did not  paint  Chinese  landscapes.... !

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Peter
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