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Another Enamel Painted Porcelain Bottle

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« on: January 27, 2017, 03:08:10 am »

This is the second one I would like to show to you, again my question is what the meaning of the scene is? And again, how would you date the bottle? Is it a snuff botle at all with this wide opening?
Thank you again,
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2017, 10:20:36 am »

Dear Matthias,

    Please post a view 'face on', of the mouth, and another, also face on, of the base, and please post the height in mm or cm (or in.), and the diameter of the mouth opening.

    It could be a small vase, or a snuff bottle (for personal use), or a snuff jarlet (to hold larger amounts of snuff, and fill a bottle from), or a medicine bottle/jarlet of a different sort (snuff was considered a medicine by the Qing, so all 'snuff bottles' are by definition
'medicine bottles' for dry powdered medicine [snuff]; there are also such bottles etc., for pills and for tablets etc.).

   There are 'condition issues' as they would say on the Antiques Roadshow...
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2017, 02:49:18 pm »

Thank you Joey, sorry, I knew you would ask for that information, so here it comes... The height of the bottle is 8 cm and the diameter of the opening 2,3 cm.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2017, 03:34:48 pm »

Dear Matthias,

      I think this is also later in the Guangxu reign, ca.1890-1908, or even later, to first half of the Republican period, 1911-1930.
 
      I also think it is a miniature vase or a medicine bottle for holding pills or something other than a powdered material like snuff. Snuff bottles, and medicine bottles for other powdered materials, tend to have a straight mouth, not one curving outward, like this example.

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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2017, 12:15:44 pm »

I am leaning towards it being a miniature vase... 

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2017, 08:16:54 pm »

Waiting for Giovanni to comment but I think this is a modern bottle ... I saw a lot of this type in the early 2000s in China
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2017, 09:07:41 am »

Dear Pat,

     You could be right, though the enamel colours look right to me for late Guangxu/ Republic.  I have not seen large numbers of objects like this, but then, I was not looking, and was not in Hong Kong or PRC from 1996 to 2014.
You are right - it will be interesting to hear Giovanni's opinion...
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Waiting for Giovanni to comment but I think this is a modern bottle ... I saw a lot of this type in the early 2000s in China
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2017, 02:27:40 pm »

Dear Pat,
 
    Well, we heard Giovanni's opinion, and you are 2 for 2 right, and I'm 2 for 2 wrong.
Me bad.  Sad Roll Eyes Grin

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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2017, 07:16:17 am »

Thank you all for your comments on this piece, too! Ok, yes, it is likely rather a miniature vase.
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