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« on: January 18, 2017, 07:51:01 am »

Thought I would share my 2 Malachite bottles, both of which are very small, 39mm without the stopper for the right hand bottle.

The stopper on the left one is glued in and was auctioned at the same time as a very nice lacque burgaute one with the stopper glued and a label glued to the back. They were the property of a titled collector, Sir someone or other, although the term collector shouldn't be applied here as someone who defaces objects of art in this way is not a collector, should be stripped of his title and booted square in his Gentlemans area as far as I'm concerned.

To put the size in context, the lion's face without the ring on which is carved on the left bottle is 8mm high. There is a tortoise carved on one side and a butterfly on the other, both symbols of longevity and also of joy in the case of the butterfly.

While I admired the work put into the carving on the left bottle, I prefer the unadorned right one which simply lets the material it was worked in speak for itself.

Both I would think are contemporary.

Regards, Adrian.


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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2017, 08:15:33 am »

The plain bottle has Beautiful pattern !

Thanks for sharing

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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2017, 09:47:49 am »

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Both I would think are contemporary.

Adrian, you would be correct in the above comment. The bottle shapes, designs, carving quality, and the clean polished surface lacking an aged patina, are screaming contemporary to me.  I would judge these to be post 1970. 

I know the one stopper is glued.  There are solvents that will loosen the stopper and can be used to clean the glue residue.   

Can you indicate how much effort went into hollowing?  I would suspect that the inside hollowed area was simply a left in a rough ground unpolished state.   

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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2017, 12:37:52 pm »

Thank you Pin.

I was in South Africa recently and there is a lot of Malachite on offer there but the patterning on the things I looked at were bland in comparison to the right hand bottle.

Hi Charll,

Obviously I can only report on the right hand bottle. It is fairly well hollowed although they left weight in the base which is needed due to the size of the bottle, it is dwarfed by my other bottles. The height of the neck makes it impossible to get right into the sides to hollow them higher in the bottle and the inside is relatively rough.

The size of the bottles means that even if they were well hollowed they couldn't hold a meaningful amount of snuff. There is an ivory spoon on the right bottle but the bottles are so small you could just insert one in each nostril and tip your head back to get your snuff fix.

Regards, Adrian.

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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2017, 01:23:46 pm »

The bottle located in the right of the picture presents a really beautiful pattern, indeed malachite is one of my fauvorite stones!!

Thanks for sharing Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2017, 01:44:13 pm »

Dear Adrian,

     I agree that they are contemporary, but the markings are so beautiful.
I am not happy to hear that someone who considered himself a collector was so dismissive as to damage the bottles that way.
Especially the Lacque Burgaute. How are you to remove something glued onto a surface made up of tiny pieces of mother of pearl and foil? That is shameful.
Thank you for posting them.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2017, 09:50:09 am »

Dear Joey and Albert,

Thank you both for your comments. Whilst the beauty of so many snuff bottles are the result of artists and craftsmen working together, sometimes it just needs a craftsman and mother nature to do the job.

Regards, Adrian.
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2017, 12:37:07 pm »

That is very true, Adrian.
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Dear Joey and Albert,

Thank you both for your comments. Whilst the beauty of so many snuff bottles are the result of artists and craftsmen working together, sometimes it just needs a craftsman and mother nature to do the job.

Regards, Adrian.
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2017, 05:25:32 pm »

Better than average pattern on the right bottle.. Really nice !

I am not sure I understand why the carver found it necessary to leave the bottom part of the bottle non hollowed because of it's size.

I will guess that it has a flat base, and agree with Charll's post 1970 dating.
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2017, 03:58:59 am »

Hi George,

You're right in not understanding why it wasn't hollowed down to the base as I have delved around inside it with a cocktail stick and it is hollowed all the way down.

It's so small that you can't really tell where the weight in it is but is heavier than you would expect for it's size and considering it's well hollowed. The weight is in the shoulders which due to the length of the neck couldn't be worked. And yes, a flat base. I wouldn't have been brave enough to take the thinness of the malachite in the neck to where the carver did, as a material it seems relatively brittle.

Regards, Adrian.
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