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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2016, 09:02:27 am »

Perfect match! Congratulations!
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2016, 09:10:27 am »

Dear Samson,

     I don't say good or bad; I just say that I did not notice it, till you posted the view looking down onto the stopper from above.

     But it goes even better than I thought, due to the coral accents in the decorated area around the neck.
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Dear Samson,

      My pleasure. When trying to match up a stopper to your bottle, I wanted to bring out the accent of the coral-coloured flowers.
But I was shocked to see that there was the same coral colour in the decoration around the neck, brought out in the last posted view, from above. When I looked at the bottle without enlarging, the coral flowers stood out. The coral in the neck surround did not.

   Best,
Joey

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Dear Joey,

By "decoration around the neck/coral in the neck", did you mean the object depicted in the pic below? So in your opinion is it a good thing that the said decoration around the neck appears to be in "low profile" in comparison with the coral flowers?

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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2016, 07:16:38 pm »

So in your opinion is it a good thing that the said decoration around the neck appears to be in "low profile" in comparison with the coral flowers?

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Samson

For me, if I am going to consider purchasing a modern bottle like this, yes I do want to see the low profile rather than the heaped enamel.

The stopper is beautiful Samson !
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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2016, 08:16:53 pm »

Dear George,
 
     Like you, I prefer the 'thinner' painted enamel decoration to the 'heaped and piled' type.
But on Samson's bottle, all of the enamel decoration is of the type I like. My comment was simply that the coral enamel of the flowers was more noticeable because it was surrounded by the white background material, while the coral in the decoration surrounding the neck was 'lost' among the other colours in the ornate design, when viewed without enlargement.

    I had looked at the bottle without enlargement, in order to see which colour 'jumped out' visually, so I could match it up with the stopper.  However, I then offered Samson a choice of 4 stoppers I thought could work, so it would be his choice for his bottle. As it happens, he chose the one I'd have chosen.
"Great Minds Think Alike..."  Grin Roll Eyes

   I find the heavily enamelled bottles give me a claustrophobic feeling. I like the visual space of examples like Samson's. Or #76 in my 1987 catalogue, which I was led to understand might be by Ye Bengqi, when I bought it in 1982 at the NYC ICSBS convention at the Waldorf that year (although at US$400, even in 1982, I probably should have taken that with at least a grain of salt  Roll Eyes Grin). I now understand that my bottle #76 (which I still have) is attributed to Wang Xisan.

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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2016, 09:50:13 am »

Dear Joey,

I'm really glad that you appreciate my bottle. It's such a privilege for me to own it.

I have to say the meeting of our great minds made a sublime bottle! Cool Grin

Snuff bottle collecting is such a fun and rewarding experience! Smiley

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« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2016, 09:53:25 am »

Dear Samson,

I agree with everything in this message!  Roll Eyes Grin
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Dear Joey,

I'm really glad that you appreciate my bottle. It's such a privilege for me to own it.

I have to say the meeting of our great minds made a sublime bottle! Cool Grin

Snuff bottle collecting is such a fun and rewarding experience! Smiley

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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2016, 10:52:34 pm »

Hi Samson,

The stopper is a wonderful match to your bottle. A great combo...!

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« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2016, 01:20:30 am »

Hi Samson,

The stopper is a wonderful match to your bottle. A great combo...!

Tom 

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« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2016, 02:57:45 am »

Dear All,

     It always amazes me anew, how a really good stopper can raise an already great bottle to even greater heights.
And also, how many times at an auction, a great bottle with a really bad stopper was available relatively reasonably, because most others could not get past the bad stopper, which could be replaced quite easily.

    I was saying to a fellow snuff bottle collector friend at the last convention that it reminded me of the stupid people on the real estate shows now on TV, where a family have to do repairs and 'stage' their too small home to get top dollar, so they can buy their future dream home; and the wife is viewing her perfect home, which is in her price range only because of bad staging and bad cosmetic decor; but doesn't want it because the walls are painted a colour she doesn't like! As if the walls could not be repainted for the cost of a few cans of paint and a few hours' work.

    Once with the late Hilde Schonfeld, there was such a bottle she would not buy, though I strongly recommended it to her.  It was a superb plain white 18th C. Nephrite Jade, but it had a truly awful white glass stopper. I told her to buy it (it was VERY cheap for what it was, at US$900 or US$1,000; properly stoppered, worth 2 or 3 times that at the time), since I already had 4 or 5 similar examples.

    I told her to first buy it, then ask the dealer to exchange the stopper for a fine coral cabochon stopper with a black collar, or a green & white Jadeite stopper with a black collar. And if the dealer wanted (at the time) another US$100 for the fine stopper, it would be money well spent. When she balked, I bought it, and did the same thing. I immediately offered the dealer an extra US$100 to go through his special stock of fine stoppers, to find a better stopper.

   He didn't want me going through them, so I bought the bottle from him, and then went to my friend Marsha V., a good friend and a dealer in Asian Arts from CA., who happily spent a 'quiet' (no customers) 20 minutes with me shmoozing while I picked out a superb coral cabochon stopper and black onyx collar from her special stock of stoppers, collars and spoons.

   When I wanted to pay her for it, Marsha said she had no partner for dinner that evening (a free evening at the convention, when we get to socialise on our own), and would I squire her and host her for dinner instead. I happily agreed, and asked where she wanted to go. Marsha chose a wonderful restaurant, and I also invited my good friends Wesley K. and, I think, the late Bill Griswold (I remember we were four for dinner), and we had a great evening.
And then Hilde wanted to buy the bottle, after she saw it 'improved' with its new stopper and collar!
It's still in my collection...  Grin
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