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« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2016, 10:43:56 am »

Dear Cathy,
thank you. It has been sold at South Kensington, Christie's Interiors, which is the secondary place, as I suspected. Now, it has a Jiaqing mark, but guys, 7,975 US$, really really crazy!!!!
It is another case of very lucky seller, stumbled on a pair of ignorant bidders that thought that the bottle was M&P, Imperial. It never happens to me! Angry
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« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2016, 03:26:17 pm »

Dear Giovanni,

     Do you mean the one with the flaming pearl in his claw?
But Christie's 'South Ken' is STILL Christie's....
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Dear Joey,
I indeed attacked all three bottles.
The one from Christie’s, which in my opinion is not of high grade. Dear Cathy, where it has been sold by Christie’s? Are you sure? I am really curious.
The Cathy’s one, and I explain why. Yes I agree, well painted, but that has no value to me, matter of my mentality. I prefer to have an original paint from a naïve painter than a perfect copy of the Gioconda.
The third one, that from ebay. I was referring to the dragon in the water when I did mention the crucified dragon. I may be wrong but I have never seen a dragon in water with both arms lifted.
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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2016, 03:53:34 pm »

Dear Joey,
it is not clear to me what you mean. I have the feeling that, both in this last one and in our previous posts, that you are mixing what I say, relating some sentences to the not proper bottle. I think that in each of my sentences it is clear to which bottle I am referring. Or I am not understanding you correctly?
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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2016, 08:55:42 am »

Dear Giovanni,

     I may well be mixing up the one you were describing. I thought you were referring to the one with the dragon coming out of the water, with a flaming pearl in one paw? (hand?), and only one eye.
But irrespective of that, I referred to the fact that Christie's 'South Ken' (South Kensington, in London) is STILL part of Christie's.
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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2016, 09:52:33 am »

Dear Joey,
To be clear, you said:
“Do you mean the one with the flaming pearl in his claw?
But Christie's 'South Ken' is STILL Christie's....”
If you were referring to the bottle sold by Christie’s, then it is not the bottle with the dragon emerging from water and holding the pearl. We both said that that bottle is modern.
The one sold by Christie’s is the first, left one in the group of three bottles shown by Cathy, and it can be seen in the following link provided by Cathy; you may have missed it:
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-chinese-iron-red-dragon-snuff-bottle-19th-5677481-details.aspx
Now, coming back to what you said, it is true that South Kensington is still Christie’s, but it is their secondary place, where they auction what is worth less than a certain starting price, in theory. I say in theory because it is not true at all. They can refuse to sell something of good level alleging that it is not of adequate quality, and at the same time auctioning much lower grade things, and an excellent example is just this bottle. I believe that you agree that the bottle in question is really an average one, nothing special. And it is a real scandal the price it fetched. My feeling is that sometimes they accept to sell also not so good things to accomplish an important seller. Who, in this case, has been very lucky.
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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2016, 06:55:18 pm »

Dear Giovanni,

     You are right. I got confused...
Mea Culpa...  Grin
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