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Joey Silver / Si Zhouyi 義周司
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« on: September 15, 2016, 09:35:09 am »

    There are objects made of elephant ivory going back over 5,000 years. So I see nothing wrong in enjoying even modern objects made of elephant ivory, as long as the animal was killed humanely and legally.

    In parts of Africa, there are also too many elephants, to the point that human beings as well as other wildlife are being squeezed out by the elephants.
    In other parts of Africa, elephants are in danger of extinction. With DNA testing, which can now be done without destroying the object, one can prove where the ivory came from, and whether the item is more than or less than, 100 years old, etc.

     A major problem is that the CITES people are 'true believers', and are against ALL ownership of ivory, antique and modern, and whether it affects illegal killing of elephants and other animals today, or not. So they make it very hard to get CITES certificates.

     I know because a dear friend, a Thai princess, gave me a tiger claw mounted in 24K gold, from a tiger shot in 1870 by her grandmother's uncle, His Majesty Rama V. We tried to get get a CITES cert in Thailand without success. I subsequently found out that even if you have full documentary evidence, including photos of the object from before 1950, it is not easy and sometimes never possible, to get a CITES cert. The late Hilde Schonfeld had a German made piano from ca. 1880, which her family had to leave in Germany in 1938. In 1990, the piano was returned in Germany, and she tried to get a CITES cert for a piano with ivory keys made and documented in 1880. She NEVER got it before she passed away.

    So, make it MUCH easier to get a CITES cert for an object with a valid claim, issued by people whose job it is.  And from the job those who make people who own validly obtained materials feel like they are murderers or child molesters.

    I support the eating of meat, the use of leather, wearing fur, and enjoying antique and modern objects of Ivory and other endangered species, so long as the killing was done humanely and legally.
    And anyone who eats ANY animal protein, wears shoes or other articles made of leather,  but is against the ownership of Ivory, Hornbill, or other materials from animals,  is simply being hypocritical, in my opinion. And that is modern materials.
I'm not even talking about antique material from animals. Antiques and antiquities made from these species are part of Human culture going back at least 5,000 years.

    While saying that, I 'LOVE' Al Gore, who will fly on his private jet all over the world, to tell us that we should not fly frivolously and should not use cars because of the 'carbon footprint', and has gone from being a measly millionaire to being a billionaire, based on his 'selling'  the lie of 'Human-caused global warming'. What a guy!  Roll Eyes
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Joey
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Joey Silver (Si Zhouyi 義周司), collecting snuff bottles since Feb.1970

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