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« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2016, 01:03:06 am »


      I've never seen a carved 'floater'; only plain (uncarved) examples. My assumption is that the extra thickness needed to do carving on the exterior is enough to make the bottle too heavy to float.


Dear Joey,

You are right - most are plain bottles, but I have one floater with mask handles. The others are all plain.

And I recall that Richard once posted a cameo carved floater. The only one I know of.

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« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2016, 02:19:28 am »

Dear Tom,

Attached is one with mask handles and I believe this to be one of the earliest mentioned of floating bottle in a catalog.

Besides white jade, I have a few Black & White Jades and Jadeites that looked like floaters too. My Lavender Jadeite look like a light bulb except for the blue inclusions.


Dear Samson,

You will not need to try with water. When you do encounter one, you will know it.

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« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2016, 02:38:07 am »

Beautiful bottle !!!..... just like a fairy floating in the air..... Grin

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« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2016, 02:39:33 am »

Dear YT,

Do you know when the term 'floater' was first coined? I think it was quite some time earlier than this 1977 catalogue. I have a feeling it was already around in the 1960s, and may even be mentioned in Lilla Perry's book, but I'm not sure. It's certainly covered in Raymond Li's books.

By the way, that is a spectacular bottle you posted. Is this the jadeite one you refer to? It looks so transparent!

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« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2016, 03:34:27 am »

Dear Pin,

Thank you. It is very well carved- neck, foot, side mask.


Dear Tom,

That is the same Arthur Gadsby Agate bottle found in the catalog.
I don't mean when the term was coined but rather seeing 'float in water' being mentioned in an early catalog.

I will post my Jadeites in the future.

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« Reply #45 on: September 27, 2016, 05:24:36 am »

Dear YT,
 
    I was at that auction!
It was my first international auction, although I was attending auctions in Toronto from Ward-Price and Waddington's, as well as Gallerie68 Auctions (three local auction houses in Toronto) with my late father of blessed memory from May 1970 till we moved to Israel in late June 1973.

   Agatha Aronson was very helpful, although I don't remember almost ANYONE bidding against me! They seemed to think that as the youngest attendee, I should be allowed to buy what I wanted. Having said that, I did not go after the serious stars of the auction. My eyes were focussed on the more reasonable bottles.

    I got a plain milk glass, 18th C. Palace Workshops, for US$50! I later (late 1980s) sold it to a young collector in North Andover MA, for the same price I'd paid in 1978. He had started at 12 (in 1988), and collected till he went to university. He is now a police officer in Silicon Valley.

    Re.'Floaters', #29 and #33 in my 1987 catalogue are 'floaters'. Both have 'taotie', but are plain front and reverse. When I wrote that I'd never seen a carved 'floater', I meant carved front and reverse. Obviously, #29 & #33 are 'carved' but to the sides, and the part that is thicker (ie, where the 'taotie' are actually situated), is quite small in relation to the vast majority of the bottle's surface which is plain and hollowed so thinly.
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« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2016, 03:20:40 am »

Hi guys

Have been quiet lately.

Posting an interesting group of figurine bottles: I called it "The Dance of The Deities".

A group of 3 jade figurine bottles.

The first, a black and white jade bottle carved as the figure of Shou Lao holding a peach with his right hand and a monkey carved using the translucent white skin, clinging to his body.

The second, a black and white jade figure bottle of Liu Hai holding the three-legged toad, the face and toad carved using the white skin of the stone.

The third, another figure bottle of Liu Hai carved using caramel brown and white jade. This time, the toad, carved using the lighter inclusion, is seen clinging on the side of Liu Hai.

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« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2016, 08:07:30 am »

Dear Richard,

      Thank you for posting these three well carved but totally modern bottles.
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« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2016, 10:17:56 am »

Yes, very nice carving!
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« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2016, 11:57:32 am »

Yes, interesting bottles, and thank you for sharing them with us ..
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« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2016, 08:30:07 pm »

Dear Richard,

Very cute figurines especially in a much sorted material.
The first and third are made for snuff bottle. The middle figurine looks to be a converted bottle.

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« Reply #51 on: October 05, 2016, 10:22:53 pm »

Hi Richard,

A wonderful "family" you have there!

All three are beautifully carved, and excellent modern examples of creative craftsmanship. I wonder how long it will be before these lapidaries begin signing their works like top enamellers are starting to do.

The green stopper on the third bottle - is that carved in the form of an 'extra' toad?

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« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2016, 11:03:58 pm »

Sharp eyes you have Tom!

Yes, it is indeed another three-legged toad as the stopper!

All of us have our own collecting interest and direction. While some of us just want to collect antique, I am geared toward objects of beauty. Therefore, a nice modern piece is fine with me, just like modern inside painted bottles. It need not be old to be appreciated.

On the other hand, if it is an old bottle with little artistic value, it will not appeal to me even it has some age.

To each his own!

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« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2016, 02:07:14 am »

Hi Richard,

I generally agree with your philosophy. This opens the way for modern craftsmen to produce items with pride, develop in new directions, and not be stuck in a groove, copying so as to pass their work off as old. As you say, just as they do with IP bottles, and more recently with enamels on glass.   

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« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2016, 04:15:10 am »

Hi Tom

I fully agreed with what you said.

We should give every artist the opportunity to showcase his talent and creativity. I would define ourselves as art collectors rather than antique collectors.

Remember the gorgeous green jade bottle I posted sometime ago by a contemporary Shanghai artist? Nobody can deny the fact that it is a magnificent work of art, although it was created just yesterday.

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« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2016, 04:22:57 am »

Hi guys

Just to recap, here is the thread:

http://snuffbottle.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,2197.0.html

And I attach the image of the green jade bottle again for easier reference.

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« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2016, 06:10:07 am »

Dear Tom and Richard,

I agree with both of you that we should give devoted contemporary artists opportunities to pass on and promote magnificent art forms.

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« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2016, 07:46:00 am »

Dear Richard,

      Again, I must stress the word, "STUNNING" !
It truly is. Were you ever able to find out the height and price of this example?
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« Reply #58 on: October 18, 2016, 03:37:46 pm »

Thanks for sharing these Richard! 
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« Reply #59 on: October 28, 2016, 01:12:17 am »

Hi All,

I am reviving this thread with a group of fossiliferous limestone bottles. The two 'juveniles' are on the outside edges, flanking the older generation! From left to right in this family shot are:

ONE - Fossiliferous limestone snuff bottle, the pale beige matrix mottled with grey sedimentary and minute marine fossil inclusions, of compressed ovoid form, with a slightly tapering neck, broad flat lip, and a recessed base with a raised flat oval footrim. Coral glass stopper mounted in a silver collar.
Height: 5.8 cm
ca. mid-1990s
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TWO - A fossiliferous limestone snuff bottle of compressed rounded form, with flared neck, concave lip and a raised oval concave foot; the black matrix evenly suffused with vertically orientated pale grey marine inclusions. This one is unusual in having the polyps inclusions running vertically to create a basket-like impression. Green jadeite stopper set in a gilt-silver collar.
Height  5.2cm
ca. 1760-1850
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THREE - Fossiliferous limestone snuff bottle of elongated flask form, with cylindrical neck, flat lip, and a recessed flat foot surrounded by a raised footrim, neatly carved taotie mask-and-ring handles at the lateral sides; the black matrix evenly suffused with light grey marine inclusions, giving the impression of a starry night sky. The mask handles are an unusual feature for this type of bottle. Pink coral stopper mounted in a silver collar.
Height: 7.6 cm
ca. 1780-1850
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FOUR - Fossiliferous limestone snuff bottle of compressed ovoid form with a slightly tapering neck and shoulders, flat oval lip, and a raised oval foot with flat base; the marine polyps forming cream coloured circles against a reddish-brown matrix. Turquoise stopper set in a silver collar; brass spoon in the shape of an open-palmed hand.
Height: 6.2 cm
ca. 1780-1880
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FIVE - Fossiliferous limestone snuff bottle, the stone suffused with grey-black, red, ochre and beige inclusions, of flattened rounded rectangular form, with cylindrical neck, flat lip and a raised flat foot. Black agate stopper with black vinyl collar.
Height: 6.7 cm
ca. 1980-1990


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