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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2016, 11:52:15 pm »

Nice quartet Cathy!

Chinese craftsmen loved to imitate one material with another, so these imitation shadow agates are highly collectible in their own right.

Keep 'em coming....

By the way, the 12x box also came from a Bangkok weekend market....and cost more than some of the bottles!   Grin
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2016, 05:42:30 am »

OK, this thread has been rather quiet for a few weeks, so here is another 'family shot' for the weekend.

These are modern versions of the enamels on milk glass produced by the Palace workshops. Judging by the prices the genuine examples are achieving at auction, this little trio wouldn't leave much change out of $500,000. As that kind of spending is way beyond my reach I am quite content to have bought these 3 for less than $400.  Grin

From a technical point of view, due to modern materials and better control of the firing temperatures, these humble modern examples are arguably better made than the originals. Purists are allowed to disagree!

Left to right:
Enamels on milk glass snuff bottle of compressed pear form with slightly flared neck and flat lip, resting on a raised oval footrim with recessed base; painted on one side with asters, irises, mallow and branches of flower buds issuing from tall grasses, continuing to the other side with tree-peonies springing from rockwork, the neck with a band of interlocked scrolls interspersed with pendant florettes; the base inscribed with an apocryphal mark in regular script reading "Qianlong nian zhi" (made in the Qianlong period) in blue enamel. Celadon green jade stopper with a black collar.
Height   5.0 cm

Enamels on translucent white glass of flattened pear shape; painted on one main side with peonies, and on the other with a butterfly, peach blossoms and asters, reserved in oval panels set within a floral design on a yellow ground, the neck with a formalized floral scroll above a shoulder band of pendant lappets; the foot incised with an apocryphal mark in regular script reading "Qianlong nian zhi" (made in the Qianlong period) in blue enamel. Jasper stopper with a black collar.
Height   5.3 cm

Enamels on milk glass snuff bottle of compressed oval form with a cylindrical neck and flat lip, resting on a raise oval foot with a flat base; painted overall with a continuous mille-fleurs design on a black ground, the neck with a band of blue florettes on a black ground above a yellow margin; the base inscribed with an aprocryphal mark in red enamel reading "Guyue Xuan" (Ancient Moon Pavilion). Gilt bronze filigree stopper with red glass finial.
Height   4.5 cm

Enjoy...!


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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2016, 09:24:07 am »

Dear Tom,

Though modern, exquisite!

I especially like the first one on the left!

Good one!

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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2016, 10:09:58 am »

Dear Tom,

      My favourite is also the one on the left.
Samson has a good eye.
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2016, 06:23:18 pm »

Quite Lovely Tom!
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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2016, 07:48:01 pm »

Tom,

Thanks for sharing these enamel on glass bottles.  My taste run from left to right as well (most favorite on the left, then the middle, and least on the right).  I'm going to have to find the time to start adding a few family photos of my own.  I see them in my mind, just need to do the photography. 

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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2016, 08:36:56 pm »

I agree with favoring the one on the far left..

All are beautiful and thanks for sharing !
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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2016, 08:28:09 am »

Thank you all for your comments!

I will post the individual bottles on a separate thread in the near future.

Meanwhile, looking forward to seeing some other people's family shots.

Charll, I believe you can probably floor everyone else here with a group shot of your B&W porcelains.  Wink

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« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2016, 03:51:26 am »

Hi Tom

Thanks for this thread.

Just to join in the fun, I am posting 2 group photos of my 'floater family'! These are chalcedony bottles with natural inclusions, uncarved and relatively small in size (the first family).

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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2016, 04:30:06 am »


I am posting 2 group photos of my 'floater family'


Hi Richard,

Two impressive looking 'families'.
And being floaters, safe to carry on you when you go swimming..!  Grin

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« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2016, 04:39:10 am »

Dear Tom,

I've heard of the term "floater" in the snuff bottle world, but what is its definition really?
I assume such bottles float on the water as you said, but what makes them float? Does it have anything to do with its structure?

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« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2016, 04:39:59 am »

Hahaha Tom!

They're sure to keep me 'afloat'!  Grin Grin
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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2016, 04:43:52 am »

Hi Sam

Floaters usually refer to hardstone bottles (usually chalcedony) or jade bottles that are well hollowed until the wall is almost paper thin and float in water, and so the term.

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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2016, 04:47:11 am »

Hi Sam,

Looks like Richard beat me to it with the answer!

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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2016, 06:23:13 am »

Dear Samson,

     The bottle is extremely well hollowed, and then one puts a small piece of cellotape over the mouth. Without that, it would still sink, because  the neck is one of the heaviest parts of the bottle, so the bottle would fall over on its side, and then fill with water, if the mouth were not sealed with tape. One could also use a cork, but tape is easier.  Cheesy

     After I started collecting, ca.1971, I heard the term 'floater', from a more veteran Toronto snuff bottle collector, the late Natie Katz (z"l), a friend of my late parents' (z"l), who explained and then demonstrated with a few of his bottles in a plastic basin filled with lukewarm water.

     First he put in a regularly well hollowed bottle, after putting a small piece of tape over the bottle's mouth; and it sank 'like the proverbial rock'.  Grin    Then he took the stopper off a 'floater', put a piece of tape over the mouth, and put it in the basin of water. It floated! I was amazed.

     Sadly, Mr. Katz wouldn't sell me any of his floaters, but in 1975, Y.F. Yang, then in Ocean Terminal in Hong Kong,  sold me one. I already had a few other Agates, and I had great fun showing friends in Jerusalem the same 'trick' Mr. Katz had shown me, 4 years earlier. No-one believed that you could get a solid stone bottle to float in water!  Wink

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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2016, 06:24:08 am »

Dear Richard,

     2 very nice 'group shots'! Thank you for posting.
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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2016, 06:28:46 am »

Dear Cathy,
 
     I realised I'd not commented on your group shot. It is a nice group of glass snuff bottles imitating Agate (or Chalcedony, same thing). Well done.
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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2016, 05:57:29 am »

Dear Samson,

     The bottle is extremely well hollowed, and then one puts a small piece of cellotape over the mouth. Without that, it would still sink, because  the neck is one of the heaviest parts of the bottle, so the bottle would fall over on its side, and then fill with water, if the mouth were not sealed with tape. One could also use a cork, but tape is easier.  Cheesy

     After I started collecting, ca.1971, I heard the term 'floater', from a more veteran Toronto snuff bottle collector, the late Natie Katz (z"l), a friend of my late parents' (z"l), who explained and then demonstrated with a few of his bottles in a plastic basin filled with lukewarm water.

     First he put in a regularly well hollowed bottle, after putting a small piece of tape over the bottle's mouth; and it sank 'like the proverbial rock'.  Grin    Then he took the stopper off a 'floater', put a piece of tape over the mouth, and put it in the basin of water. It floated! I was amazed.

     Sadly, Mr. Katz wouldn't sell me any of his floaters, but in 1975, Y.F. Yang, then in Ocean Terminal in Hong Kong,  sold me one. I already had a few other Agates, and I had great fun showing friends in Jerusalem the same 'trick' Mr. Katz had shown me, 4 years earlier. No-one believed that you could get a solid stone bottle to float in water!  Wink

     Best,
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Dear Joey,

Well that's very interesting! You must have had great fun demonstrating the 'trick'! Grin
Would love to see the demonstration some day! But how well hollowed a bottle has to be to "float"? Do we measure the thinness of wall for that?

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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2016, 04:42:13 pm »

Dear Samson,

      Once you start picking up well hollowed antique plain agate bottles (and a truly tiny number of Jade 'floaters'; I think I've SEEN 3 in my collecting. Possibly 4. Whereas I have OWNED at least 10-15 Agate 'floaters'.), you will start to notice those which are especially well hollowed, because they will feel too light to be stone, but will obviously be stone.

      I've never seen a carved 'floater'; only plain (uncarved) examples. My assumption is that the extra thickness needed to do carving on the exterior is enough to make the bottle too heavy to float.
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« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2016, 07:14:51 pm »

they will feel too light to be stone, but will obviously be stone.

That must be an incredible experience Joey. Sounds exciting, I'm trying to imagine that! Shocked
This skill would come in handy when I need to buy a "floater" in the future (if the seller wouldn't let me stick a cellotape over the bottle's mouth and put it in a basin of lukewarm water to test it.. I bet he/she won't Cheesy)

Thanks!

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