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« on: August 23, 2016, 11:50:04 pm »

Dear Members,

Is this porcelain bottle a modern piece? To me, it appears that the shape is odd (most porcelain bottles I've seen are a cylinder), and it is decorated with the two concentric blue rings in multiple places.

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Brian


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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2016, 04:29:31 am »

Dear Brian,

     The shape is theoretically fine. It is called a 'meiping' shape. I used to translate it as 'winepot', but have just read (in Britannica), that it is for holding one spray of plum blossom and is molded to imitate the female form. OK.

     The painting looks modern to me, but very well done.
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2016, 05:21:18 am »

Dear Joey,

I have read that 'meiping' means (or rather implies, as with so many Chinese words that don't have a precise translation) a 'plum blossom wine jar'.

Seeing your two descriptions, it looks like my source was "covering all bases"........  Grin

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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2016, 05:50:23 am »

Dear Joey and Tom,
the meiping form is very old, and in Song dynasty they was indeed wine containers. The "vase for a plum branch" is a Qing interpretation but indeed they was meant as wine pots.
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2016, 08:13:15 am »

Dear Giovanni and Dear Tom,

     What is your dating for the bottle Brian posted?   Roll Eyes Grin
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2016, 11:43:23 am »

As all of you know I am mostly a MPIPB guy but to me this snuff (?) bottle was produced in the last decade at best.

A word of caution and advice: when I see a 2 $ stopper on a bottle it is an immediate alert to what is not right versus what could be right. Sorry .. If the owner knows it has either paid value of intrinsic value they wouldn't put this crap on .
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2016, 12:40:57 pm »

Dear Joey,
I agree with your and Pat's dating: modern.
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2016, 06:33:22 pm »

A word of caution and advice: when I see a 2 $ stopper on a bottle it is an immediate alert to what is not right versus what could be right. Sorry .. If the owner knows it has either paid value of intrinsic value they wouldn't put this crap on .

Dear Pat,

That's interesting. Because I too realised that very often SBs with such stopper which has a bronze or metal like trim tend to be dated as modern. What's with this kind of stopper actually?

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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2016, 06:39:47 pm »

All,

I've seen a lot of these type of bottles while surfing the web.  I would like to see the image quite a bit closer, for I suspect it is not even painted.  The one's I've seen are often printed or graphic images that do not have brush strokes. 

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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2016, 08:47:06 pm »

Samson

It's a good observation and you would be 90 percent correct in using it as a criteria.  The other bvba 10 percent can be attributed to some people not being able to find suitable stoppers and replacing it with these contraptions (which I personally hate).

Now to the stoppers, they are some brass alloy and All the cabochons are either plastic resin or at best glass. They can be found for 2 to 4 dollars a piece.  I personally think they look awful and detract from the bottle in addition to giving an overall impression that the bottle is new(er). The 'spoon' they attach is just awful and made from square rods with a flattened and rounded end.

If you compare to some of the metal stoppers myself and other members have posted you will see they make sure the stopper has a real stone cabochon (or nice glass) and a real bone spoon or other suitable material like bamboo or horn, sometimes silver ...makes a big difference AND that's how these stoppers were made in the old days.
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2016, 09:03:09 pm »


Dear Giovanni and Dear Tom,

     What is your dating for the bottle Brian posted? 


Dear Joey,

I would say modern too. But I am no expert when it comes to porcelains. I was collecting for 27 years before I bought my first genuine old porcelain! (I have a few modern ones I picked up in the 1970s when I first started out, but they don't count.) Giovanni is the person to ask.

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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2016, 03:42:35 am »

Hence the first name on the request...  Grin
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Dear Giovanni and Dear Tom,

     What is your dating for the bottle Brian posted? 


Dear Joey,

I would say modern too. But I am no expert when it comes to porcelains. I was collecting for 27 years before I bought my first genuine old porcelain! (I have a few modern ones I picked up in the 1970s when I first started out, but they don't count.) Giovanni is the person to ask.

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