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Transparent Pink Overlay Glass Snuff Bottle

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« on: August 12, 2016, 01:03:48 pm »

Ok so I am on a mission to try to understand more about overlay glass. Here is another bottle of mine. It's pink transparent glass over white. The pink glass has bubbles and some kind of tiny grit in it that you can see with the loop - that's something I haven't read about. I am worried about the shape of the bottle and the base, but the overlay and even the color seem plausible to me on an older bottle. Would really appreciate your opinion.
And I made sure I reduced the size of the photo.

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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2016, 02:14:22 pm »

Cathy,
 
    The shape looks right to me, as does the base, and the colour and style of carving all look right for a late 18th/early 19th C.
bottle.
What is the height in mm. without the stopper? (Hint: 1 inch = 2.54 cm = 25.4 mm)
Any documented provenance?
Anyone know why this is NOT a very good bottle from the dating range I mentioned?
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2016, 03:09:36 pm »

Oh that would be so nice if I accidentally bought a good bottle!

Height is so much easier in centimeters. It's 6.5 cm or 65 mm tall minus the stopper.

I could press for provenance because I have contact info for the seller, and so if it's worthwhile will do that.

 

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2016, 12:00:57 am »

Cathy,
 
    The shape looks right to me, as does the base, and the colour and style of carving all look right for a late 18th/early 19th C.
bottle.
What is the height in mm. without the stopper? (Hint: 1 inch = 2.54 cm = 25.4 mm)
Any documented provenance?
Anyone know why this is NOT a very good bottle from the dating range I mentioned?
Best,
Shabbat Shalom,
Joey

Dear Joey,

This does not look right to me especially on that date range. (your last sentence looks to be a challenge? Grin)

Lack of details on the Chilong with very minimal carving. Not sure how to explain but there could even have been a Chilong mold created for the pouring of the molten pink glass.
Which may also explain why I cannot see the overlay carvings onto the base bottle.

The very thin base rim is not seen in the 18th.


Dear Cathy, this is purely a doubt.
Just my two cents which can easily be thrown out.  Tongue Wink

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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2016, 12:36:24 am »

Thanks YT

I found another example of what appears to be this same overlay pattern on a bottle at Christie's.
I am attaching it here for reference.

Please compare and let me know what you think.
The bottle there is a red overlay on pale turquoise glass. So the differences are the colors, and the height of the bottle - the bottle there is 6cm tall and mine is 6.5, but the pattern itself looks very close to my untrained eye.

If you want to see it on the site, here's the link:
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-red-overlay-pale-turquoise-glass-snuff-bottle-5977573-details.aspx?from=salesummery&intObjectID=5977573&sid=34f584a2-ef14-41aa-9058-b47c26b20c07

Now it may be totally inappropriate for me to make a comparison like this - if so, please let me know




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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2016, 01:06:57 am »

Thanks YT

I found another example of what appears to be this same overlay pattern on a bottle at Christie's.
I am attaching it here for reference.

Please compare and let me know what you think.
The bottle there is a red overlay on pale turquoise glass. So the differences are the colors, and the height of the bottle - the bottle there is 6cm tall and mine is 6.5, but the pattern itself looks very close to my untrained eye.

If you want to see it on the site, here's the link:
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-red-overlay-pale-turquoise-glass-snuff-bottle-5977573-details.aspx?from=salesummery&intObjectID=5977573&sid=34f584a2-ef14-41aa-9058-b47c26b20c07

Now it may be totally inappropriate for me to make a comparison like this - if so, please let me know




Dear Cathy,

This is exactly my point. Thank you for bringing out this example.

Look closely.

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2016, 01:26:27 pm »

Dear YT,
 
     I  WAS, because I've not purchased or really looked at overlays since Clare sold almost all of mine in the early 1990s  (ie., 23 or so years ago).  I actually have seen similar bases on 18th C. bottles, but I did not look to see if the Qilongs' carving cuts into the background material.
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