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Blue and white porcelain bottle with the mark of "Yu Chun Tang"

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« on: May 25, 2016, 11:34:41 am »

Hi everyone! This is the first time I am posting my collection here. Let me present you this blue and white porcelain snuff bottle in the form of Meiping with the "Yu Chun Tang" mark. This is one of my favorites in my existing collection. Enjoy and let me know your opinions!


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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2016, 11:40:16 am »

Your pics are way to large to view.  Can you please edit them to a smaller size before uploading.

Can help you better then..
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2016, 12:09:05 pm »

Dear Samson,

    I agree with George. Too big!
'YU' means "Jade"
'TANG' means "Hall of"
What does 'CHUN' mean?

  What is the bottle's provenance? Does it have provenance?
But I can't see the bottle in its present configuration.
Please access the material about sizing photos, and do that, and delete the present ones.
Or do what I do, since I'm totally useless with technology  -
Ask George or Steven or David to help you.
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2016, 01:52:16 pm »

Have them down to size..
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2016, 03:32:31 pm »

Dear Samson,
how high is your bottle? Are you sure that it is a snuff bottle and not a mini reproduction of a vase? I mean, there is a spoon attached to the cover? I am asking so because the shape, the decoration and the type of cover are belonging from the earliest b&w pieces, the meiping vases of the Yuan period.
Anyway, if it is a bottle it is really a nice one.
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2016, 10:58:14 am »

Thanks George for your hand in resizing the pics! I will pay attention on that while posting pics in the future!

Joey, "Chun" means spring. Regarding the bottle's provenance, I really have no idea. I purchased it from an antique store here in Hong Kong. Its owner seems to have traded snuff bottles for decades.

Giovanni, yes it is indeed a snuff bottle, it's height is about 6.5cm. For your reference, I am attaching few more pics, two showing its spoon.





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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2016, 12:20:42 pm »

I was also thinking may not be a snuff bottle, but sure enough it is !  Never seen a top/stopper with spoon attached like this before..

Very interesting..
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2016, 01:26:55 pm »

Dear Samson,
if before the pictures was too big, now they are too small. First at all, you should crop the picture so that the bottle will take almost all the area of the picture. As you see, now only about one fifth of pictureís area is taken by the bottle. Then you should resize the picture so that the bigger side will be about 900 pixels.
In these new pictures I am not able to see how the spoon is attached to the bell shaped cover. It will be also interesting to see, for what is possible, the inner part of the neck, or at least to know how it is shaped. What I mean is: does the inner part of the neck has a cylindrical shape for about  one half or one centimeter, so that the spoon canít be tilted when the cork is inside the neck?
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2016, 03:09:22 pm »

Dear Giovanni,

     Irrespective of the way the bottle and stopper fit, how would you date the object?
I feel it looks early, say ca.1760-1830, or even earlier.
Is that your feeling? I have not seen the glaze flaws I know from Yongzheng, or I might have suggested as early as that, or even Kangxi.
   I could be all wrong, but it does 'feel' early to me.

Dear Samson,

   I will be in Hong Kong for a week in Nov., after the ICSBS convention the first week of Nov. In LA. Is there any way I could see this bottle while I'm in HKG then?

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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2016, 04:54:29 pm »

Dear Joey,
I canít have an idea about the age of this bottle with these pictures. In the very first picture we see some blemish on the rim of the cover, but it is not clear what we have there, if glaze fritting or damages.
I still think that there are great chances that this is indeed a miniature vase and somebody simply glued there a spoon with the cork.  Has somebody already seen something similar? What will tell for sure if it is a miniature  vase or a snuff bottle is the inner part of the neck, but I am not sure if I was clear enough and if Samson understood my meaning.
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2016, 05:24:13 pm »

The final size of the pics are my fault.. Guess should have left them larger when editing..

Maybe Samson can repost them..
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2016, 11:01:56 am »

Giovanni, please find attached some close-up shots I attempted to make for the bottle's rim area as well as its cork and spoon attached to its cover.

Actually, I fell in love with this bottle the very first time I saw it on the display cabinet of the shop where I bought it. In fact that was always the first time I visited the shop itself. I was immediately attracted by its elegant blue & white pattern and style as well as its distinguished shape. Without knowing much about it, it took no time to leave a vivid impression in my mind. Every since then, I had been asking the shop owner to show it to me almost every time I visited the shop and after roughy half a year I decided to own it. I just love it! Just a little story between me and the snuff bottle.



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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2016, 11:33:41 am »

Dear Samson,
you have the bottle in hands so you must be in condition to clarify if it is a snuff bottle or a miniature vase. Look at the cover/stopper, and try to understand if it has been made with the function of holding the spoon, or if it is just like a cup with the spoon glued at the bottom.
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2016, 12:00:16 pm »

Dear Giovanni, from my observation, the cover is designed and made to have a cork and spoon attached to it. Hence, I believe it is a snuff bottle.
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2016, 02:10:15 pm »

If so dear Samson, then no doubt, it is a real snuff bottle.
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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2016, 05:16:29 pm »

And one of a kind Samson..

Would like to hear from others where it might be dated to .
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« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2016, 06:37:37 pm »

    Giovanni described the decoration as harking back to the Yuan Dynasty style, which is 14th C. I also think it is copying that style.

     But it is obviously an homage to that style, NOT from that period. My feeling is that it might well be Qianlong period, but could it be as early as Kangxi period?

     An interesting, and possibly important, snuff bottle, in any event.
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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2016, 09:47:42 pm »

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And one of a kind Samson..

Not quite one of a kind.  Here is a new bottle coming up for auction in a few days with the same hall mark. 

Link: https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/45579213_qing-dynasty-bluewhite-snuff-bottle-marked

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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2016, 10:27:54 pm »

Nice find Charll !

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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2016, 10:51:15 pm »

George, Samson and All,

Unlike some of the comments above I have seen a few of these bottles around and they generally tend to be newish in origin.   I was holding off on making any comments on Samson bottle because the picture resolution is not sufficient for me to judge at the moment.  With Samson bottle it may come down to having to see it in person. 

I also have some concern with the coarseness of the clay along the unglazed foot rim. If it's baby smooth it may be older then what I initially thought when first looked at it.   

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