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« on: April 06, 2016, 05:56:56 am »

Hi, I picked this bottle up on my travels in Spain. It wasn't expensive - i bought on a whim, because the material was unusual and interesting. I've researched rhodonite a little since and have found out it is not an expensive material, but I haven't seen many snuff bottles carved out of it either.

Anyway, the dealer dated this bottle 1920ish, but said he wasn't sure really. My own opinion is probably about the same. The bottle is hollowed out, not just a drill hole down inside, but i'd say it is not well hollowed out either going by the heavy weight of the bottle. The carving is somewhat crude, but after looking for a while I could make out the scene depicted... the spoon i was told was ivory - what is the hole in the spoon for?





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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2016, 07:01:37 am »

Hi Pookles,
I bought a number of bottles made of similarly unusual and attractive stones in the early 1990s. They came from a Shanghai based workshop that had a retail outlet in Hong Kong. 
The overall shape, foot rim, neck and other details of your bottle are so similar that it could even be a product of the same workshop.
Irrespective of that, it is an appealing looking bottle, made from a very striking material.
I have no idea what the hole in the spoon is for.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2016, 10:00:00 am »

The black on pink really is a striking material..  I think more closer in age to the same type of bottles Tom mentions from the 90's.

Very nice how the carver managed a fishing boat on water tucked into the black manganese landscape in traditional form.

Thanks for sharing it Pookles..
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2016, 11:38:22 am »

Thanks guys. feels nice in the hand. Heavy as I say. I wonder if the hole in the spoon helps with extra suction when sniffing snuff. 

Wattana - interesting you’ve seen very similar bottles. Sounds like could be the same workshop as you say.

George - yep I actually like crudeness of the carving and the way the carver has nicely integrated the scene with the rock.

The only reason I really thought the bottle may be 1920-1940ish was because of the ivory spoon(it appears to be ivory to my eye)  - of course I understand the spoons can often be replaced. Also, I knew it must be a later bottle because these types of materials I have read were generally not used for snuff bottles pre 1870ish. Is there some feature of the bottle that inclines you to agree with Wattana? The shape, foot rim?
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2016, 03:26:10 pm »

Is there some feature of the bottle that inclines you to agree with Wattana? The shape, foot rim?

All of the above...

The bottle overall in shape, size, and carving, along with foot rim, etc, all tell Tom's dating.

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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2016, 11:07:41 am »

Thanks for the info guys.

I've found it hard to find in-depth snuff bottle guidance/reference. I have some books, but there are some books i'd like to buy that you recommend on the forum. Just hoping to pick them up for a good deal online...
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2016, 04:02:06 pm »

Maybe the hole in the spoon is to help the owner cut down on his snuffing!  Grin Roll Eyes
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