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Hornbill Ivory bottle symbolism

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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2016, 05:07:26 pm »

Dear George, the second picture is out of focus so lacking detail there, but in the first picture we see that the collar is glued. The transition from the ivory color to the red is too sharp.
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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2016, 05:37:25 pm »

Hello Giovanni,

Looking closely I can tell the collar is indeed glued.

I am sending better pictures from this weird piece.

Thanks a lot,

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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2016, 06:15:19 pm »

Dear all ,

I tend to agree that bottle is made by one piece hornbill, it should be made by the end edge of the hornbill tho which could be the leftover material from a main piece. Attched please find the bird ,the shape of the hornbill canbe different in different contries. the one in Tailand have a strang shape at the end.

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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2016, 05:07:12 am »

Dear Marcos,

I like the second odd-shaped hornbill due to it's carving and rarity. It is highly possible to have joint pieces(even for BaiShi bottles).

All hornbill ivories come from a single species- The Helmeted Hornbill. Only they have casque that are entirely solid which is to the preference of carvers from China and Japan.

Sorry, I don't like the first bottle as it looks too commercialise.

Do let me know if you need comparisons. Otherwise I would rather not touch my hornbill bottles. They seems to grow additional crack whenever I touch them. Tongue

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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2016, 05:23:27 am »

Dear All,

YT is right. Only one species is used for snuff bottles, as it is the only one which has a solid casque. Steven's second bird photo is the correct one.

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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2016, 09:53:43 am »

Dear YT,

     Take each of your hornbills out, and rub it on the oily part in the indentations on either side of the nose. That is what netsuke collectors do to oil their pieces, and it works equally well on organic snuff bottles. Sounds gross, but works.
My ex-O'Dell hornbill looks much better than it did before.
best,
Joey


Dear Marcos,

I like the second odd-shaped hornbill due to it's carving and rarity. It is highly possible to have joint pieces(even for BaiShi bottles).

All hornbill ivories come from a single species- The Helmeted Hornbill. Only they have casque that are entirely solid which is to the preference of carvers from China and Japan.

Sorry, I don't like the first bottle as it looks too commercialise.

Do let me know if you need comparisons. Otherwise I would rather not touch my hornbill bottles. They seems to grow additional crack whenever I touch them. Tongue

Cheers,
YT
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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2016, 11:33:07 am »

Dear Steven,

Thanks for posting the photo of the bird. I wasn´t sure whether the first one was also used for snuff bottle making.

Hello YT,

I am happy you liked the beak shaped bottle. I also noticed these bottles get quite brittle.

Hello Joey,

I use lanolin on items made of horn to stop them from getting too dry and brittle. Do you think that could work on hornbill too?
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« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2016, 10:24:07 pm »

Dear YT,

     Take each of your hornbills out, and rub it on the oily part in the indentations on either side of the nose. That is what netsuke collectors do to oil their pieces, and it works equally well on organic snuff bottles. Sounds gross, but works.
My ex-O'Dell hornbill looks much better than it did before.
best,
Joey


Yes Joey Wink

We have been having a hot spell recently. Should have enough oil  Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2016, 10:32:57 pm »

Hi Marcos,
If Joey's suggestion works, there is no reason why lanolin should not. After all, sheep oils aren't so different to human oils. You just need to read the small print, to make sure it is 'natural' lanolin, with no artificial colouring agents.

Dear YT,
You could start offering a "bottle oiling service" to collectors from colder regions.  Grin

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« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2016, 11:37:08 pm »

Hi Marcos,
If Joey's suggestion works, there is no reason why lanolin should not. After all, sheep oils aren't so different to human oils. You just need to read the small print, to make sure it is 'natural' lanolin, with no artificial colouring agents.

Dear YT,
You could start offering a "bottle oiling service" to collectors from colder regions.  Grin

Tom
Dear Tom,

If only you start first. Then I will setup a franchise here Grin

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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2016, 03:59:17 pm »

Dear YT & Tom,

     What won't a collector do to protect his treasures?  Wink Grin

Dear Marcos,
 
      That's a great suggestion. I will make sure to use Tom's advice and make sure the lanolin is natural.
Best To All,
 Shabbat Shalom,
Joey
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