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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2015, 09:42:14 pm »

Tom,

The amber agate floater is a real beauty !

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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2015, 10:06:34 pm »

Here is one of my floaters.  Acquired in Suzhou in 1999, when one of my favorite dealers there was still alive. 


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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2015, 10:55:24 pm »

Sure is a beautiful color !
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2015, 11:12:21 pm »

Nice bottle Pat. It looks vaguely familiar....!  Wink
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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2015, 11:27:14 pm »

Dear Tom and Pat,

All these agates are very nice. I am just learning about jade carvings and have not venture very much into agate. Eagerly waiting for Tom's book to be born and learn from it.

I heard that raw agate price has shot through the roof in China. People are abandoning their regular job to harvest them. It may have some small effect on the agates we have on our hand just like jades in the last ten years.

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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2015, 11:55:04 pm »

Thank you all !
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« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2015, 11:08:48 am »

Dear Pat,
    Another modern bottle, this time in hardstone, which has me drooling! Although I should not be greedy, and covet another one. Giovanni very generously and kindly, gave me a modern one so I could give out snuff in Synagogue in Israel on Shabbat.
    I had once used a new acquisition, a B&W with dragons; and some as-shole (as my late mother would have said.  Wink), complained that it had a dragon on it, and I shouldn't bring idolatrous objects into a Synagogue. The others told him to get a life, but it was off-putting. The gift from Giovanni will come in handy, so. But Tom's examples were beautiful, and now your bottle.
   When Tom wrote that he'd bought some in the Mens' Dept. in Ulaan Bataar department stores, I actually thought of flying in for a day or two, and visiting the 3 or 5 stores to buy bottles, when I was in Beijing. But then I didn't actually go to Beijing, and I got one in Europe!
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« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2015, 11:45:21 am »

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A wonderful bottle.  If I had not seen the one side with an obvious stone pattern, I would have thought the bottle was a yellow amber from its initial appearance.    Charll
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« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2015, 11:48:10 am »

Thank you Charll! 
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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2016, 02:25:24 pm »

Dear Joey,
CNC stay for Computer Numeric Control, and it is related to machining center that can do practically anything, converting a CAD (Computer Aided Design) drawing into a real object.
But it is not only that. Many years ago I did work with artificial vision systems, they were a new technology at the time. I went to Massachusetts visiting one of the pioneering Companies that work with that, the Company was founded by scientists and researchers coming from the MIT. At that time the electronic devices was very complex, while now, that technology is available in a simple card that can be inserted into a computer. Well, I have not the slightest doubt that today you can simply show a bottle to a CNC machine equipped with a vision system, a bottle of any shape, not necessarily symmetrical, and then just tell to the machine that you want it carved with a thickness of one millimeter and voilą, the machine does that without failing. No need of programming, drawings, etc. I have never seen such machine, but no doubt all this can be easily done today.
To have a further idea, just consider that the extreme miniaturization of most modern electronics, like Iphones and so on, it is only possible thanks to the artificial vision systems. The machine that place the minuscule components on the small electronic card is not driven by a program, but by a vision system instead. The machine take the device to be placed, looks at the card, detect the inserting place, calculate the location and the distance  and then place it. If you rotate the card, the machine rotate the device. All this at an incredible speed.
As you, I have seen recently so many bottles really well carved, but hey, too much well carved, too much perfect, and without any sign of wear. Perfectly polished. If Mr. Yang told you that, he must have been referring to such machines.
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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2016, 02:53:31 pm »

Dear George,

    I picture that machine copying a perfect 18th C. Jade, and get shivers.
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« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2016, 02:36:14 am »


I picture that machine copying a perfect 18th C. Jade, and get shivers.


Dear Joey,
I wonder if the machine ever gets the scale wrong, so you end up with a 600 mm tall copy instead!   Grin

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« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2016, 08:05:22 pm »

I fear that future technology might enable fakers to make anything with a 3-D printer.   Wink
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