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Silver with Enamel Snuff Bottle

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« on: January 30, 2015, 07:22:21 am »

Hi again,
this is another bottle I have and of which I do not really know where it comes from. It has enamel painting on silver and is marked on the bottom. Is this one Chinese? The style looks a bit strange to me. It is marked on the bottom. The stopper is not original, I guess. As it has considerable wear, I think it has some age...
Thank you again for any help!
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2015, 09:01:07 am »

Hi Mat,

Welcome to the Forum.

It looks like a interesting enamel on silver bottle to me, the metal work looks right to me, so does the enamel.

It has a “正昌纹银” zheng chang wen xin(silver) mark on the base.

I don't have much experience on metal bottles, will let other experts chin in to help you.


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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2015, 09:34:15 am »

Thank you Steven,
I searched on baidu with the characters you gave me and found some similar bottles dated to the late Qing Dynasty ( if the automatic translation was correct). Does that sound ok for this kind of bottle?
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2015, 10:27:06 am »

Dear Mat,
      It looks ca.1950s-2015 to me. when did you get it?
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2015, 11:09:17 am »

Dear Mat,
      It looks ca.1950s-2015 to me. when did you get it?
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  Joey

Yep, I agree..  This one is not exactly the same as the ones I see on eBay, but very similar.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2015, 02:27:05 pm »

Thank you all, I got this about two years ago, so that does not help regarding the age of it. Here is the link to a Chinese forum with a similar bottle I found, maybe it gives further information?
http://jd.cang.com/622527.html
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2017, 05:56:12 am »

Back to this, the "zheng chang" stamp seems to appear on Qing dynasty silver ingots, here an example:  http://www.teldapbridge.org.tw/Search/search_info?id=5565
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2017, 07:21:11 am »

And another bottle with the same mark, I really do think that it is older than post 1950? http://bbs.artron.net/thread-460944-1-1.html
And another silver item I found, http://bbs.artron.net/thread-222373-1-1.html , an identical one is dated also to the Qing dynasty: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_6ddf276d0101dmm6.html , both with the "正昌纹银" stamps...
I really tend to believe that my snuff bottle is indeed late Qing and not modern...
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2017, 11:00:05 am »

I agree that those do appear to have some age.. But I am not experienced enough to say for sure the difference compared to modern copies.. I like them very much though, and could easily see myself bidding on them if they were up for auction..

By the way.. Thank you for that , "Jin Shiwen treasure appreciate" link... I bookmarked that one !
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2017, 05:10:23 am »

Thank you George, yes, it is an interesting link, I wish I would not need the automatic translation...
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