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Sharing some Yong Shou Tian bottles and asking for clarification.

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« Reply #100 on: September 07, 2016, 08:54:26 am »

Wow!!! You guys are all book collectors.Smiley And this topic will inflate the book market anytime soon.Smiley

I actually count my book this morning, roughly 120, while I only have less than 100 bottles .

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« Reply #101 on: September 07, 2016, 09:07:48 am »


I actually count my book this morning, roughly 120, while I only have less than 100 bottles .


That is a good ratio Steven!   Wink

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« Reply #102 on: September 07, 2016, 10:44:21 am »

I have 38 books and refuse to count my bottles on the grounds they will incriminate me! I haven't even read all 38 of my books yet. Am just a quarter of the way into Chinese meanings. If the truth be told though, I probably have as many really "good" bottles as I have books.
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« Reply #103 on: September 07, 2016, 12:36:46 pm »

I have 38 books and refuse to count my bottles on the grounds they will incriminate me! I haven't even read all 38 of my books yet. Am just a quarter of the way into Chinese meanings. If the truth be told though, I probably have as many really "good" bottles as I have books.

38 good bottles in 90 days, that is still very impressive!!

I have been collecting since the Forum was setup by George, I believe it have been more than 5 years, I don't think that I have 38 good bottles yet.Smiley

Keep it up, But be more patient.Smiley

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« Reply #104 on: September 07, 2016, 12:59:46 pm »

Thanks Steven - the majority of the good bottles I have are mainly because of the members of this forum. I have found some very good guidance and advise here.  Grin
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« Reply #105 on: September 07, 2016, 04:51:31 pm »

Dear Cathy,

      For the pneumonia, are you by any chance on any hallucinogenics?  Because I've looked at all the bottles you've posted here or on Collectors' Weekly, and Sweety, you 'don't got' 38 really good bottles yet.
     You might have 5 really good, and 10 good, and possibly another 5 decent; and 100+ crap. Roll Eyes
REALITY CHECK. REALITY CHECK.  Grin
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« Reply #106 on: September 07, 2016, 08:44:45 pm »

Dear Cathy,

      For the pneumonia, are you by any chance on any hallucinogenics?  Because I've looked at all the bottles you've posted here or on Collectors' Weekly, and Sweety, you 'don't got' 38 really good bottles yet.
     You might have 5 really good, and 10 good, and possibly another 5 decent; and 100+ crap. Roll Eyes
REALITY CHECK. REALITY CHECK.  Grin
Best,
Feel Better,
Joey
Dear Joey,

"38 good bottles in 90 days, that is still very impressive!!" This is a misunderstood statement from Steven.
Cathy wrote that she have 38 books.

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« Reply #107 on: September 07, 2016, 10:13:32 pm »


This is a misunderstood statement from Steven.
Cathy wrote that she have 38 books.


Precisely noted YT!

And Cathy is NOT disclosing the number of bottles she has on the grounds of being incriminated.

Wise decision Cathy....!   Wink

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« Reply #108 on: September 07, 2016, 11:14:27 pm »

I probably have as many really "good" bottles as I have books.

Sorry for misunderstanding.

But I do really think Cathy did very good job on collecting. She can ID a quite few of old artists easily, which took me more than a year to collect a couple of good bottles she really has a good eye and taste. Once she has some guildline ,she will be a really good collector.

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« Reply #109 on: September 07, 2016, 11:20:17 pm »

Joey Ė I am going to prove that I have 38 good bottles! I didn't mean I have "really good" bottles, I meant I really have some "good" bottles.

I am behind on my collectorís weekly posts, and so I have tried to bring it up to date with pictures of the ones not already posted on the forum Ė these are not the best pictures because I donít have natural light right now, but I had to set the record straight so you will stop saying I have collected a bunch of crap!  Tongue

I consider the following bottles to be my collection, not the bottles that I bought in error (which I am trying to get rid of by the way). If any of these aren't "good" bottles, I am sure you will let me know!

Organic

1. Hornbill
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/200081-hornbill-ivory-snuff-bottle

2 - 6 Ivories for the Thai market
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/200070-wise-man-ivory-carved-snuff-bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/200071-ivory-carved-snuff-bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/200072-abstract-tree-ivory-snuff-bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/200073-ivory-lion-snuff-bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/200074-playful-lions-ivory-snuff-bottle

and Iím not even going to count this ivory, which I think is also nice
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/200066-ivory-carved-snuff-bottle

7. Laque Burgaute bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/203886-laque-burgaute-snuff-bottle

8. Undecorated black lacquer bottle (I read that this is rare)
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/201089-plain-black-lacquer-snuff-bottle

9. Canton Export Inlaid Mother of Pearl Bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/203894-mother-of-pearl-snuff-bottle

10-11. I actually have three of these, but am only counting two - horn with ivory overlay bottles
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/200075-horn-and-ivory-snuff-bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/203897-horn-and-ivory-snuff-bottle


Stone

12. Gray and White Jade (posted here on the forum)

13. Celadon Green Jade with chi dragons
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/203887-celedon-jade-chi-dragons-snuff-bottle

14. Carved jade with flowers and butterfly
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/203904-flowers-and-butterfly-jade-snuff-bottle

15-16. Archaic design on rose quartz, and (carved like water jade) rose quartz
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/203909-archiac-design-rose-quartz-snuff-bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/203891-delicately-carved-rose-quartz-snuff-bott

17. Amygdaloidal Basalt Snuff Bottle (on forum)

Porcelain

18. Buddhist Lion porcelain bottle (this has not arrived yet so I am attaching a photo from the auction)

19. Famille Rose Molded porcelain people in boat bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/203908-molded-porcelain-snuff-bottle

20. Zhong Kui painted porcelain bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/203900-zhong-kui-porcelain-snuff-bottle

21-24. I have several other good porcelains but Iím only counting three (although I think it's more than that)
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/197726-chocolate-glaze-chien-lung-snuff-bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/197728-red-and-white-glaze-mystery-mark-snuff-b
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/197812-red-underglaze-dragon-reign-mark-snuff-b
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/197815-green-dragon-kang-hsi-reign-mark-snuff
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/197725-blue-and-white-porcelain-yung-cheng-snu
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/197825-another-man-fishing-under-a-tree-snuff-b
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/197819-hexagon-kang-hsi-snuff-bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/197818-dark-blue-man-fishing-snuff-bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/197817-shun-chih-flower-vase-snuff-bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/197816-tall-woman-small-man-snuff-bottle


Glass

25. Blue overlay glass chi dragons
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/200063-snowflake-glass-with-blue-overlay-snuff

26. Pink overlay chi dragons
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/201011-pink-dragon-glass-overlay-snuff-bottle

Translucent red overlay hundred antiques (I am not going to count this because it has a chip on the base that I havenít had repaired yet)
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/203905-hundred-antiques-red-overlay-snuff-bottl

27. Birdcage overlay bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/197723-la-cage-aux-folles-snuff-bottle

28. Pink glass imitating tourmaline pebble bottle (on forum)

29 Ė 30 Two glass imitating coral bottles
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/197722-glass-coral-snuff-bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/199572-yellow-glass-snuff-bottle

31. Plain blue glass bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/203901-cobalt-blue-glass-snuff-bottle

32. Plain red glass bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/203906-ruby-red-translucent-glass-snuff-bottle

And Iím not even counting my 4 glass imitating shadow agate bottles, two glass imitating carnelian bottles, two glass imitating jade bottles, one glass imitating some kind of zebra stone, my Henry Hitt mystery swirl bottle and several more overlay glass bottles that Iím not sure about yet.

Inside Painted

33. Tang Zichuan signing as Zhou Leyuan inside painted bottle (picture on forum)

34. Xue Chengcai inside painted bottle green glass (pictured on forum)

35 Ė 37. Three Yong Shoutian bottles (on forum) Not counting the unsigned amber one!

Metal
38. Metal hinged enamel medicine bottle
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/200065-metal-hinged-enameled-snuff-bottle




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« Reply #110 on: September 07, 2016, 11:26:44 pm »

Thank you Steven, Tom and YT for the vote of confidence!
Joey's post prompted me catalog my bottles - so I am happy about that!

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« Reply #111 on: September 08, 2016, 11:05:17 am »

Guys,
 
     For those for whom English is not a first language, I will accept the error.
But it says: " If the truth be told though, I probably have as many really "good" bottles as I have books."
Ergo, 38 "really "good" bottles".

    8, 9 10, 11, 14, 17, 19, most of the ones where you've listed reign names on the CW (And PLEASE remove Kangxi, Shunzhi, etc, from the titles. NONE of them should be so described. Having an obviously fake mark does not allow you to write that in the title. If you want to add to the description, "Fake Shunzhi mark on base" that is fine. There is NO reason for you to have added Kangxi to that B & W.).

     I've got to go take friends to dinner, but I count 15 good out of the first 30 you list.
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I have 38 books and refuse to count my bottles on the grounds they will incriminate me! I haven't even read all 38 of my books yet. Am just a quarter of the way into Chinese meanings. If the truth be told though, I probably have as many really "good" bottles as I have books.
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« Reply #112 on: September 08, 2016, 12:18:21 pm »

Dear Joey,

I spent a great deal of time to put together this list for you.

I would appreciate it if you would list the numbers of the bottles that you think are not "good" bottles.

Let's also establish that I put quotations around "good" because that is all I meant. I did not mean "really good" - if I had meant that I would have included the quotations around really as well. I only think I have two "really good" bottles and those would be the hornbill and the gray and white jade - and you may also disagree on that.

I went through the CW listings and removed any reign mark mention in the title.

Now I have jumped through all the hoops like a good monkey. 

If you are going to continue to call my collection "crap" then I need to know "why" it is.

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« Reply #113 on: September 08, 2016, 01:55:10 pm »

Dear Cathy,

     I definitely agree about the Hornbill and the gray & white Jade being very good.
From your numbers, the ones I don't judge good (and it is my opinion; it was not given inscribed on a stone tablet on Mt. Sinai!  Grin): are 8,9,10,11,14,17,19 (but I've only got through to #24). I will go through the other bottles and give you a full list when I have a chance (I have guests from Malta this week, and have been run ragged from 07:15 to 22:00 (10pm) each night.
     I've not yet rechecked, but if you've removed all the reign names from titles, thank you. Just so you understand - A reign mark should ONLY be mentioned in a title when it is "and of the period". It is fine to mention it in the body of the description, as long as you use the phrase, "fake x mark" or "x mark but not of the period". In the early days, as YF Yang would say, one could write "apocryphal x reign mark", but today, that is problematic.
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Dear Joey,

I spent a great deal of time to put together this list for you.

I would appreciate it if you would list the numbers of the bottles that you think are not "good" bottles.

Let's also establish that I put quotations around "good" because that is all I meant. I did not mean "really good" - if I had meant that I would have included the quotations around really as well. I only think I have two "really good" bottles and those would be the hornbill and the gray and white jade - and you may also disagree on that.

I went through the CW listings and removed any reign mark mention in the title.

Now I have jumped through all the hoops like a good monkey. 

If you are going to continue to call my collection "crap" then I need to know "why" it is.

 Kiss
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« Reply #114 on: September 08, 2016, 02:04:52 pm »

Ok! I anxiously await your post and will try to decipher why those bottles are not good in the meantime.
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« Reply #115 on: September 09, 2016, 05:08:28 pm »

Dear Cathy,

      First of all, Well done (I checked each of the bottles that you posted.), but there is nothing wrong in describing the mark in the body of the description as long as you describe them as 'apocryphal' or 'fake' (shorter and simpler  Cheesy). In fact it is a good idea.

      Next, please don't be too anxious - my guests don't depart before Wed. aft.!

    Best,
Shabbat Shalom,
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Ok! I anxiously await your post and will try to decipher why those bottles are not good in the meantime.

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