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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2014, 11:48:48 am »

That was easy!!!.....Hahaha

Thanks Steven for sharing the video

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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2014, 11:19:40 pm »

Hi Steven,

Thank you for the video, I hope this is not a stupid question...

The calligraphy written inside the bottles... they are painted? Not real calligraphy?

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PS. When did you took a video of me painting?  Roll Eyes  ... beginning of video clip.... name tag
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2014, 12:14:31 am »

Hi David

I tend to agree with Steven that it is possible to write running script in inside painted bottles. Besides, there is no rule that the artist must write the entire line in one action, this is also not the case even for calligraphy on normal scroll.

Attached is an example of an inside painted bottle written in running script for your reference.

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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2014, 01:33:14 am »

Hi Richard,

Thank you, that is very nice for a bottle.

I can't believe there are people that can do this in a bottle.

Is this really running small CaoShu calligraphy?

The reason I am asking is that I fell in love with my (mother's side) grand father's flying script calligraphy scroll. While I was growing up every summer we visit (until 12?), and I get to sneak into his "formal" living areas. The thing I always look at is a scroll of script. I have no idea what it writes, and I remember it even now. A simple 4 line calligraphy on yellow paper backed in cloth or something, but if you glance it from the corner of your eyes, you can swear it was moving. If you stare at it, it won't move, but your can feel it is ready to fly off the paper.

He said it was done in one dip of ink and one stroke per line. I don't know who, but the artist is both a good calligraphy person and skilled in real TaiChi.

There are places where the ink goes from dark to light and back to dark and alternates. At the light place, you can see the brush sweeping over at a high speed, at the dark you can see the brush sinking into the paper.

At the light place when the brush is sweeping, you can see the separation of the brush, then a twist/regather, then dip strongly for the next move.

I see something like that on this bottle, but I don't see the separation, twist/gather, and dip where he chained 2 words or on a more complex word. That is why I ask, is this real calligraphy or is this painted calligraphy?

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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2014, 01:58:17 am »

Hi David

That's depend on what you define as real calligraphy or painted calligraphy.

I assumed that your 'real calligraphy' is handwriting freely on the medium (whether glass or paper) and painted calligraphy is more like copying slowing character for character?

In the example provided, you can see that the flow of the strokes are fluid and will be more difficult to paint the character slowly as it will not be able to achieve the same effect. For your information, this artist practise calligraphy on scroll as well, beside inside painting.

In Chinese calligraphy, especially Caoshu (草书) it is normally done in one go (一气呵成). There were stories of famous calligraphers who created masterpieces of Caoshu after a few drinks and were tipsy, sometime known as Kuangcao (狂草).

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« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2014, 03:35:24 am »

Thank you Richard, I will remember that... small KuangCao.

Yes, that is what I define as real versus painted. But, I am "door outside man" on Chinese art.

Then that is amazing work, with the constraint of the bottle and the limitation of the angles that one can move.

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« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2014, 08:44:43 am »

Dear David,
This your discussion recall me Wang Xishi. It is said that he reached his unsurpassed writing skills by studying the movement of geese’s neck. Here is a scene in his life, “Xixhi writes on fans” on one of my vases.
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« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2014, 03:49:08 pm »

Hi Giovanni,

Thank you for the photo, it is very eye catching in way I can't describe.
 
I don't quite understand why is this titled "Xizhi writes on fans"?

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« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2014, 04:31:36 pm »

Dear David,
the scene is explained here:
http://chinesecauldron.com/story-index/xizhi-writes-on-fans/
Note also that one of Xizhi's attendants is carrying a goose, meaning that he was very fond on them.
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« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2014, 09:44:19 pm »

Hi Giovani,

Thank you for the link (it is an interesting site... I think my to readlist is growing exponentially since I joined...), now I understand and see it in the correct perspective.

I thought the fans were fruits...  Roll Eyes Don't laugh too hard...

By the way, I just read the thread on the cinnabar bottle. Great perseverance and test oriented mind! I always enjoy a good "battle" too, on important issues to me.

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« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2014, 09:45:50 pm »

Hi David & Giovanni

It is a well known fact that Wang Xizhi was fond of geese. (羲之爱鹅)

It is because he can learn the calligraphy strokes from the various postures and movements of the geese.

For your reference.

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« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2014, 03:07:38 am »

Dear Richard,
     It is a wellknown fact in Piacenza, Italy; in Jerusalem, Israel; in Toronto, Canada; and in Bunclody, Ireland; that I love goose too.
     I love it roast, braised, and fried... Cheesy   Cheesy
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« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2014, 07:09:23 am »

Hahaha Joey

I love it too for the same reason!  Grin

See you soon and you will be treated to your favourite goose!

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« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2014, 10:19:06 pm »

Very interesting posts about the running script.

Are you sure it was the movement of the goose's neck that inspired Wang Xizhi, or the thought of the upcoming goose dinner.  Grin

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« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2014, 10:34:34 pm »

Hahaha Tom!

I think Wang Xizhi may not bear the thought of eating one of his geese! Only ordinary folks like us will enjoy it that way!  Grin

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