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Laque Burgauté Snuff Bottles

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« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2023, 03:53:25 pm »

Beautiful Bottle Charll.  I agree with Brian you have some beautiful examples of Laque Burgaute.
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« Reply #61 on: August 26, 2023, 11:12:12 am »

A new find [61mm]! There appears to be some signs of handling. I do not remember seeing many with calligraphy on the bottom. Maybe Richard can decipher it.


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« Reply #62 on: August 26, 2023, 01:19:33 pm »

Dear John,

    Very nice.
The two characters are Qian Li in Hanyu Pinyin.
Qian means 'one thousand'.
Li means 'inside'.
I'm reading right to left, and don't understand the meaning.  Roll Eyes Shocked Embarrassed
If the bottle is Japanese, it means  Embarrassed
For some reason, the Kanji converter isn't working.
And I think it is Japanese.
The nacre inlay used looks like it is similar to that used
in Thai inlay. Reddish, purplish, with green tints, as well.
I've re-written this a few times, as I've compared it to mother of pearl
inlaid objects in my home.
Best,
Joey
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« Reply #63 on: August 26, 2023, 09:47:13 pm »

Hi John

The mark at the base is Qian Li (千里) which means a thousand miles in Chinese.

However, this was the name of a famous craftsman, Jiang Qian Li (江千里) during the late Ming and early Qing dynasty.

Lac Burgautéwas a popular decorative art and was used in many household objects including furniture, boxes, stationery, etc. It still remains a popular art in rosewood furniture decoration today.

Jiang was considered the master of this craft and many later pieces bear his name, Qian Li as the mark.

This art was later learnt by the Japanese who also produced many art objects bearing the same mark.

The motif of this bottle is the auspicious symbol of five bats surrounding the Shou character which means the five blessings with longevity (Wu Fu Feng Shou 五福奉寿).

For your reference.

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Richard
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« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2023, 07:25:39 am »

Joey and Richard, thanks so much for your input. Maybe Charll can give his opinion if it is Chinese, Japanese or Thai.
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« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2023, 08:27:44 am »

Dear John,

    Thanks to Richard's breadth of knowledge,
we [and by we, I mean me  Roll Eyes Shocked Grin] now know why
the mark Qian Li is on your bottle.
I forgot to add before that I once had 3 Lac Burgaute snuff bottles
from Y.F. Yang of blessed memory. All had this same Qian Li mark
on the base.
I have a copy of an early YF Yang & Co. catalogue,
which I think was made of 4 or 5 A-4 pages folded in half,
and printed then stapled.
I will dig it out and see if any Lac Burgaute bottles are illustrated.
So, I think the YF Yang & Co. catalogue is in Ireland.
I've had a friend photograph 3 items inlaid with mother of pearl:
a box of red lacquer inlaid with MoP from South Korea; a small box,
inlaid with MoP from New Zealand, where they call it Kaori shell;
and a Kiddush cup inset with pieces of NZ MoP. I bought the pieces of
shell in a crafts shop in Wellington NZ, and a Judaica craftsman made
the Kiddush cup for me.
I will post them so you can compare the material.
Best,
Joey
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« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2023, 12:41:34 pm »

John,

I somehow missed your recent Laque Burgauté post from August 26th.  You made me work to give you an opinion on the this bottle.  Wink

Although Joey's suggestion that this bottle may be Tai is a good one based on the simplicity of the design and the use of the round inlay elements, my gut says it is Japanese.  The Japanese used the reddish, purplish, with green tints extensively as well, and adopted the use of the Qian Li mark in a simple 2 character mark (often read as "one thousand miles') on many of the nicer laque burgauté pieces.  I've observed this Qian Li mark base mark presented as simply two characters as shown with your bottle or the two characters enclosed in a rectangular gold inlay border.     

For other Japanese bottle examples with Qian Li mark and/or use of reddish, purplish, with green shell tints see Robert Kleiner, Chinese Snuff Bottles in the Collection of Mary and George Bloch, London, 1995, pages 541 to 547, nos. 356, 357, 358, and 359 published to accompany an exhibition at the British Museum.  As Richard states, the Qian Li mark on the base is likely in homage to the legendary Chinese lacquer artist, Jiang Qianli, who was celebrated for his mother-of-pearl inlays and was reputed to have lived in the early Qing period.

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