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« on: June 22, 2014, 12:53:04 am »

This conglomerate puddingstone snuff bottle is so simple yet elegant. The term puddingstone is a beautiful one. It came from a Canadian collection and I believe it is 19C. Any comments on age would be appreciated. These bottles consist of cemented pebbles and hence great care was required during hollowing.


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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2014, 12:56:55 am »

The top is dark green nephrite with a wooden spoon. Height is 4.7 cm minus the top. It is reasonably hollowed.

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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2014, 03:00:29 am »

Lovely shape and have always been attracted to the puddingstone..

Thanks for sharing it !
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2014, 12:29:33 am »

Dear Peter,
others more expert than me will give you a more reliable answer, but in my opinion your bottle can't be 19th century. I think so for the strangely curved walls of the foot and because you said that it is not well hollowed.
Let hear others too.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2014, 12:54:59 am »

I think so for the strangely curved walls of the foot


That really is telling for sure...
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2014, 01:01:49 pm »

Dear Peter,
  I agree with Giovanni. Nice markings, though...
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2014, 03:48:45 pm »

Thanks for the replies Giovanni, George and Joey. I suspect that photography may be the issue here and better images of the base are required. I have a tripod and will see if better images can be obtained, but wont rush this.

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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2014, 12:25:59 am »

Hi Peter,

An elegant bottle, but the matrix is unlike the type normally seen on puddingstone snuff bottles.
Also, the sharp undercut at the base of the bottle (around the outside the foot rim) is a strong indicator that this is probably a modern one. 

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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2014, 12:43:26 am »

There are a great many pudding stone types.. Many locations..

So many that it is easiest for me to share a Google search at https://www.google.com/search?q=types+of+pudding+stone&newwindow=1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ag-pU9PkCpDzoATV2oGADA&ved=0CDoQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=969
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2014, 01:22:00 am »

Yes, there are a great many different types. All I am saying is that the types seen on most older snuff bottles are not like the one posted by Peter.

Here are a couple of modern puddingstone bottles, followed by a couple of old ones.

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2014, 01:58:40 am »

Yes, there are a great many different types. All I am saying is that the types seen on most older snuff bottles are not like the one posted by Peter.

 

Yes, I get what you are saying..

That third one, the Christies bottle is really extra nice ! 
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2014, 02:28:04 am »

It sold for US$21,000 !!!
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2014, 02:43:39 am »

Good grief Tom !

Not sure if that means I have extra good taste (  Cheesy ), or that there is truly more to the bottle that I do not understand.. !

Shaking my head in complete confusion !   Huh

 

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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2014, 04:10:02 am »

For some reason antique puddingstone snuff bottles always command high prices at auction. They seem to be in demand by collectors with deep pockets.  But prices can vary wildly from one sale to the next - the Bonhams one in the other picture sold for US$5,000.
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2014, 04:27:35 am »

Hi Peter,

Thank you for sharing your collection. The material composition of your bottle is very beautiful indeed.

I too think that it is a modern work of art. The way the base has been carved somehow give it away.
I attach an example of an old piece in the collection of Victoria & Albert museum for our comparison and
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By the way, in looking at the museum note, they refer it as conglomerate stone.

George : I suppose the two terms Puddington and Conglomerate are interchangeable ?

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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2014, 05:08:28 am »



George : I suppose the two terms Puddington and Conglomerate are interchangeable ?



Yes, absolutely, and good point Inn Bok..

Lets consider another... How about "breacated"  Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2014, 05:24:24 am »

Inn Bok,
     I agree with your comment. Conglomerate is more correct, technically.

George,
     That's a new term for me. I have heard of "brecchiated", derived from the Italian word "brecchia", but never 'breacated'.
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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2014, 05:53:28 am »

Yes, conglomerate is best.. I was just kidding and tossing another word in  Wink

Breacated Jasper of several types/names are right on top of my favorite's list ..

All are beautiful, but if I had to pick a favorite, it would be the Stone Canyon Jasper..

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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2014, 03:03:46 pm »

Dear Tom,
in Italian, "breccia" is a fissure, so "brecciata" means that it has many fissures, a crackled stone. "Brecchiata" is then wrong, but may be that it has been adopted that way, as many words are wrongly adopted.
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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2014, 04:29:41 pm »

    I used to have a very good puddingstone/conglomerate bottle, #36, which was previously in Carlos Soler's collection in Barcelona. He  very kindly sold it to me when I visited him. he was under the impression that top collectors sold bottles out of their collections. I never did, but was happy to buy my puddingstone when he offered to sell it.
    Before Feb.2014, I would have said that it was a pity that Charll didn't think that (he should sell bottles), but since I got my first Wei Jianchao Panda bottle from my very good friend Rick in New Orleans, and now a second one from David Osborne, I'm a happy camper.   Grin
    To get back to the subject, though, top quality puddingstones have ALWAYS sold well and highly, at least in the 44+ years I've been collecting.
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