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An amazing chalcedony snuff bottle

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« on: June 11, 2014, 05:22:59 pm »

maybe Ca.1820-1900
Any ideas?
I am a new collector , most of my bottles is from estate sales, auctions and private collectors, If anybody have awsome bottles for sales or swap, please let me know , I guess I can pay you top price for your items.

Grant


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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2014, 11:05:32 pm »

Dear Grant,
    Now you have me stumped! That bottle looks really good. The only part that I'm questioning is the footrim, and that could just be the angle of the shot. It could be 1820-1880. I'm not sure.
A beauty, anyway.
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2014, 11:07:33 pm »

Hi Grant,

It is never easy to date stone bottles. One looks for a number of clues or 'pointers'. If you can tick off all of the pointers positively, the chances that the bottle is old are higher than if you cannot. There is never 100% certainty in dating, unless you have watertight provenance, which is why provenance plays such a big part in auctions.

The overall shape of your bottle tends to point to 1900 onwards rather than 1820s. The quality of the carving looks to be reasonably good, but not exceptional. The foot rim looks well finished, but the mouth and lip do not appear to be quite as 'true and sharp' as I would expect. And the transition from neck to shoulder is usually a little gentler on older bottles. The interior hollowing is a very important pointer. It needs to be good and of even thickness (closely following the bottle's exterior profile). I cannot tell if this is so from the photos.  

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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2014, 11:09:52 pm »


The only part that I'm questioning is the footrim, and that could just be the angle of the shot.
   

I thought that looked really good!
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2014, 06:52:12 am »

I think it looks good as well... Possible 19th century..

Although the one thing that struck me was the same as Joey.. The foot rim..

Where did we recently talk about possible dating due to the concave opening ?
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2014, 07:28:29 am »

Dear Tom,
    I looked again, and I tend to agree with you that it is later in the 19th C. rather than earlier (assuming it is 19th C.). The hollowing is visible in the first pic, and the sides are not well hollowed out, though it is certainly hollowed out well enough to hold plenty of snuff. I would revise my possible dating to ca.1850-1920.
   Re. the foot-rim. While one short side of the raised foot-rim seems very good (at a 90o angle to the long sides), the other short side looks like it is not parallel to it. I am not sure I've been clear enough. If not, apologies.
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2014, 09:19:59 am »


   Re. the foot-rim. While one short side of the raised foot-rim seems very good (at a 90o angle to the long sides), the other short side looks like it is not parallel to it.

It looks like it lacks a great deal of uniformity.. I would expect it much more consistent for 18th or Early 19th century.

Of course you guys know much more than myself, but I can not help but agree with Joey about possible mid 19th early 20th ..
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2014, 09:58:00 am »

I agree with you all, really a beautiful bottle!

Congratulations Grant!

Joey has sharp eye on spotting the hollowing, Yes, from the first photo, the bottle seems not that well hollowed on the shoulder and side. So I tend to agree it could be late 19th-early 20th or possible a little later. but no matter of the age. A beauty I would love  to have.

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