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Yangzhou School Bottle- Your Thoughts Please!

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« on: February 06, 2014, 02:57:40 pm »

Would like the opinion of the group on this bottle.  It is from the Yangzhou School and the overlay is purple.  I have not seen a purple overlay before from this school.  It is a soft purple color. I have a lovely Yangzhou bottle with the traditional light brown overlay.  I have been through all the books and data I have, trying to find a purple overlay with no avail! I wondered if any of you have seen one with a purple overlay before. This is a pretty bottle, not as detailed as the one I have, but I am considering making an offer on it.  Tell me what you think!!! I am appreciate your opinion.


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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2014, 03:54:45 pm »

Dear Jo,

A wonderful Yangzhou bottle, you need a better stopper for such a beauty:) the color doesn't match your bottle so well.Smiley

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2014, 04:05:11 pm »

Thanks Steven! You are right, it does not showcase the bottle!   Any ideas on what you think might be attractive and add to the overall appeal of the bottle.  Jo
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2014, 05:01:52 pm »

Some thing like this will looks great on your bottle, but you don't need collar, since there is a layer blue overlay on the mouth.

What do you think?


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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2014, 07:12:24 pm »

Dear Jo,
     I am afraid that I have never seen a Yangzhou seal school bottle in purple.
I would beware.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2014, 08:43:06 pm »

Dear Joey,

It could be the camera didn't do the color right, it should be blue instead of the purple.Smiley  you can see the background is off white as well.

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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2014, 08:46:40 pm »

Dear Steven,
    Jo says that the overlay is purple. So I assume it is.
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2014, 09:18:32 pm »

Jo,

It is interesting to see your bottle with purple overlay.

I am trying to compare the color of the rim of your bottle and the one i am posting for sharing. I believe mine is a blue overlay though the color density is not consistent. In some spot, it appears purple to me. Your comment, please.

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2014, 08:10:45 am »

Yes- It is definitely a light, delicate purple not blue.  This has been my concern, as this is the first time I have seen this color. Thanks for all the wonderful input.  Jo
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2014, 08:22:29 am »

Hi Jo

Nice bottle. Although purple colour is not commonly used as glass overlay, I do see examples before.

Regards.


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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2014, 12:24:05 pm »

Just curious Richard, have you seen this color overlay on Yangzhou School Bottles, or other types of glass bottles?
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2014, 07:31:19 pm »

Hi Jo

It is a Yangzhou School overlay bottle like yours. Just that I could not remember exactly where I see it.

I will try to search for it and will post a photo for comparison if I can find it!

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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2014, 03:44:35 am »

Dear all,
forgive my ignorance, I have no idea about the meaning of Yangzhou School. Are all overlay carved bottles Yangzhou School or the bottles seen above has something peculiar? If it is not too difficult to explain can you give me some clue?
Thank you in advance
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2014, 04:31:18 am »

Hi Giovanni

It is believed that such glass overlay bottles are made in Yangzhou city and hence it's name.

The characteristic of the Yangzhou glass overlay bottle is usually a thin layer of overlay carved in low relief on an milky or opaque white background. Although clear transparent background examples are also available but less common.

The subject matter is usually scholar in nature and often also carved with seal(s). It is therefore also sometime know as the seal school of glass overlay. Also, most bottles are carved with mock ring handles on the sides.

Here is an example in my collection that has all the above characteristics.

A Yangzhou overlay bottle of rectangular form with rounded shoulders carved using a single sepia brown overlay in low relief. One side carved with a lady immortal standing over a cloud holding a hoe and basket of flowers over her shoulder with an inscription Jiashen Eryue which corresponds to the second month of the Jiashen year (1824). The other side carved with a boy holding a branch of peaches amidst various objects with a bat flying above. The sides carved with elongated mock ring handles of the same colour.

Provenance: The Reif Collection

This bottle is unusual in that it is carved with the date.

For your reference.

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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2014, 05:40:43 am »

Dear Richard,
thank you very much. I knew those bottles as "seal bottles" in fact. I only have one and I suppose that I have already shown it here but I am not able to find it by now. Later I will search for it, if not posted I will do.
Your bottle is a fantastic one, and being dated it must be really rare.
Thank you again
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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2014, 10:51:17 am »

Fabulous Bottle Richard!  Thanks to all for your input.   Jo
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2014, 02:53:44 pm »

Just want to say have been following this topic.. Really beautiful Yangzhou bottles !
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2014, 03:38:46 pm »

Guys,
   Richard's last bottle looks genuine (ie., ca.1820 - 1880). The purple ones are modern, 'in the style of'. Best,
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2014, 11:20:01 pm »

Dear Joey,

You might be right about Jo's bottle, but I will say Jo's bottle still can be discussed, the rest of it look right except the color, I would like to see the base rim and a close up of carving.

I have seen very good Yangzhou style copy, can fool some serious collector easily, but if you look closer on the carving, you still can tell the difference, the old one even with shallow overlay, you still can see the dimension out of it, the modern ones look flat somehow, no depth feel. so overall, I will only say the bottle might be questionable.

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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2014, 08:59:25 am »

Steven- I do not have the bottle, it is one that I was considering purchasing. My concern was the colour all along. Thanks for your comments.  Jo
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