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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2014, 01:01:13 am »

This bottle was recently purchased in a group lot from RB Gallery in Millbrae, California.  As with all bottles of this type there is a dragon motif and a unglazed concentric ring base.



An example of a dragon pillar rug which was used to cover temple and pavilion pillars.

Blue and White Porcelain Dragon Pillar Bottle:
A soft paste blue and white porcelain dragon pillar snuff bottle, of cylindrical shape, with a short widely flared neck, and concentric ring base.  Typical five clawed dragon grasping for a flaming pearl amid flames motif.  Scales have nice curvature with a fine blue dot at the base of each individual scale.  Five bats circle between two narrow blue bands or rings that define the neck.  Unglazed potted concentric circle base that is slightly indented.  Jade stopper with sits atop a black onyx collar.  Height is 8.1 cm (without stopper) by 2.9 cm in diameter.   Damage has occurred to the lip of the bottle which has been repaired but left unfinished.

Period:Likely Imperial kilns, Jingdezhen, c. 1800-1850.


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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2014, 01:09:37 am »

Beautiful bottle Charll,

Very nicely executed dragon scales. And I like the exaggerated flare detail on the neck/lip. A pity about the small area of damage on the lip. This will need one of those gilding jobs that Joey often talks about.

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« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2014, 10:35:04 am »

Another stellar Pillar bottle Charll.. Congratulations !

The repair looks excellent..

Thank you for sharing another beautiful bottle Charll..

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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2014, 01:12:02 pm »

Very impressive bottle Charll,

I don't see why it can not be a imperial bottle, well done!
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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2014, 09:03:08 pm »

Beautiful Charll. You guys are getting me into porcelain more and more... 
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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2014, 01:38:03 pm »

Dear Charll,
    As Tom pointed out, I would do a Japanese style gold lacquer repair to cover the well-done existing repair, for esthetic reasons. But otherwise, a really superb example. Congratulations!
And Happy Easter tomorrow, for those who are Christian,
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« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2014, 10:15:16 pm »

Charll...

How much ( percentage ? ) would you guess the repair effected the value for this bottle ?
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« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2014, 11:29:59 pm »


George,

My opinion is the repair brings the value up to at least 50% or more.  A good or traditional repair could be as much as 80% in my mind.   I know there are folks out there that will accept nothing less than a perfect bottle.  But if the bottle was actually used to any extent there should be at least a little wear and tear.  Most antiques in the traditional sense are not perfect, and I am willing to take a little wear and/or repairable damage as such, just as long that the general aesthetics is not measurably impaired. 

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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2014, 12:27:20 am »

Ok, thank you Charll..
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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2014, 11:33:43 pm »

Hi All

Although I have a few porcelain bottles with the dragon motif, I am yet to have a 'dragon pillar' bottle like those featured in this thread.

I managed to get one and would like to have your comments and feedback. The photos are from the seller. I will post my photos of the bottle after I have received it.

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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2014, 12:52:11 am »

Dear Richard,
   10/10! Superb bottle! The scales are perfect, the base is perfect, magnificent. Even over the 'net, I'd argue that is a genuine Qing Imperial Dragon pillar bottle, ca. 1800-1850.
 Congratulations.
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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2014, 05:01:49 am »

Agree with Joey! Congratulations dear Richard.
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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2014, 05:51:06 am »

So, Giovanni. You figure Richard found it on Etsy?!  Wink  Cheesy
Just Joking! Just Joking!   Grin   Wink
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Agree with Joey! Congratulations dear Richard.
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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2014, 06:39:11 am »

Congratulations Richard. A wonderful bottle!

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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2014, 07:37:57 am »

Hi All

Thank you for your comments.

Occasionally I do take a look at what are being offered in eBay and if you have the time and patience, and look real hard, you may be able to find some good buy.

The same cannot be said on Etsy. To be fair, I just visited the site a few times but the stuff offered are just disappointing. I am not able to find any thing that can arouse my interest.

So Joey, no, it did not came from Etsy!  Grin

I will try to post better pictures once I have it with me. Now, the next task is to find a suitable matching top!

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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2014, 07:58:58 am »

Very nice bottle !!!!

Congratulation !!!
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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2014, 08:09:07 am »

Beautiful bottle Richy !

The scales are nicely done and the entire blue glaze is nice and bright..  Really a beauty, and congratulations !!
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« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2014, 09:03:32 am »

Dear Richard,
    I didn't really explore Etsy, but was trying to get a laugh out of Giovanni.
I realised, from what he and others had said, that it would not be a source of good bottles.
Your new bottle reminds me of #4 in "Dragon".
Best,
 Shabbat Shalom,
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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2014, 10:39:03 am »

Dear Richy,

Congratulations on this wonderful bottle, and I am glad that it founds its good home.

I was one of the lower bidders on this one. its really a wonderful piece.

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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2014, 07:06:26 pm »

Richard

Very nice one indeed. I could have been tempted ....congrats!
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