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« on: December 17, 2013, 11:01:01 pm »


All, I'm looking to bring in the dragon pillar bottles under their own thread for ease in locating and comparison.  This is a recent acquisition purchased from Robert Kleiner just prior to the 2013 ICSBS's convention in New York.  This group is characterized by two main things, a dragon motif and a concentric ring base.

 

Blue and White Porcelain Dragon Pillar Bottle:
A soft paste porcelain blue and white dragon pillar snuff bottle, of cylindrical shape, with a short widely flared neck, well painted in good tones of underglaze blue with a scaly dragon chasing a pearl amid flames motif.  Unglazed potted concentric circle base that is slightly indented.  The stopper appears to be a turquoise colored glass with very fine brown enamel striations imitating turquoise with a little red glass finial imitating agate, and a nylon collar.  This bottle is on the early side for the pillar group for soft paste was a very expensive process and ended by about 1830 and other indicators of an early date, 1790-1830 are the excellent assured painting, the short and widely flared neck, difficult to pot and the very good color of blue (Kleiner, personal communication 11-02-2013).  Height is 7.6 cm without stopper by 3.2 cm in diameter. 

Period: Imperial kilns, Jingdezhen, c. 1790-1830.


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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2013, 11:10:04 pm »

Very cool and a great idea for a separate topic Charll...

A dragon bottle alone can be real nice, but a pillar bottle with dragon is the top of the line !

Love the bottle Charll, and huge congrats on obtaining it !

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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2013, 12:11:18 am »

Very attractive bottle Charll. Congratulations.

Good idea to start a new thread for this topic. There was an ICSBS article focusing on this group of bottles 4-5 years ago. Does anyone remember which issue?

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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2013, 12:25:55 am »

Very beautiful Charll!   
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2013, 12:52:27 am »

Nice bottle Charll!
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2013, 03:55:06 am »

Superb bottle, congratulations!
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2013, 11:03:46 am »

Dear Charll,
      A wonderful bottle. Enjoy it in good health.
Best,
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2013, 01:25:17 pm »

congrats Charll!!

What a wonderful bottle, I have been trying to purchase one nice Dragon bottle, but the always outbid at then end, and price are going to the roof.Sad

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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2013, 09:05:53 pm »

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There was an ICSBS article focusing on this group of bottles 4-5 years ago. Does anyone remember which issue?


Yes Tom, here is a link to that article in the ICSBS Journal and I'll leave it here as long as it is funtional: http://www.e-yaji.com/books/articles/the%20wrong%20end%20of%20the%20dragon/index.html#/8/zoomed

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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2013, 09:21:27 pm »

Thanks for the link Charll.

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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2013, 10:01:54 pm »

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There was an ICSBS article focusing on this group of bottles 4-5 years ago. Does anyone remember which issue?


Yes Tom, here is a link to that article in the ICSBS Journal and I'll leave it here as long as it is funtional: http://www.e-yaji.com/books/articles/the%20wrong%20end%20of%20the%20dragon/index.html#/8/zoomed

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Very cool link.. Thanks Charll...  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2013, 08:13:51 am »

The forum seems to be dominated by VMIP bottle posts of late. For a little variety here's another dragon pillar snuff bottle.  Cheesy

Cobalt blue underglaze porcelain snuff bottle of cylindrical form, with an everted lip and resting on a flat base with concentric grooves, the decoration depicting a dragon chasing a flaming pearl. Carved coral-coloured glass stopper in the form of a coiled chilong.
Height without stopper: 7.5 cm

Attributed to the Imperial kilns, Jingdezhen, 1780-1840



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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2013, 10:06:34 am »

Dear Tom,
   A gorgeous bottle! It makes my mouth water, and I'm also missing my B & W collection, which, with my Jade collection, is in Ireland. Thank you for posting it and sharing it with us.
   Best for 2014,
     Joey
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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2013, 11:56:42 am »

Stunning bottle and thank you for sharing it Tom !
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2013, 04:56:01 pm »

Dear Tom,
"The forum seems to be dominated by VMIP bottle posts of late. For a little variety here's another dragon pillar snuff bottle.": thank you for posting this BIG variety, because I am not a great fan of VMIP bottles. Smiley
Dear guys, no offence intended to anyone. That is my own taste.
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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2013, 07:54:43 pm »

Dear Charll,

Congratulations for your excellent acquisition !

Dear Tom,

Thanks for sharing a beautiful bottle.

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« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2013, 08:02:26 pm »

Dear Tom,Love it! I already put a dragon pillar bottle for my 2014 wish!
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« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2013, 08:15:12 pm »

Nice one, Tom!
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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2013, 08:56:53 am »

Thanks for your kind words guys.

Dear Joey,
   I don't know how you manage to stay parted from your collection for so many months.

Dear Steven,
   I hope your 2014 wish comes true!  Cheesy

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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2013, 11:37:09 am »

Dear Tom,
    In Israel, I have my IPSBs and Chinese paintings to play with; in Ireland, my B & Ws, Jades, and the two boxes of assorted bottles which didn't sell from my general collection, which include some of my best bottles, funnily enough (like my paste gem inlaid Imperial Court tribute bronze bottle, Qianlong period; my carved walrus ivory, Kangxi Imperial Palace Workshops; and a number of other very serious bottles, as well as a few I'd kept for sentimental reasons, but which are also very fine examples).
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