General information about the Site

This snuff bottle community forum is dedicated to the novice, more experienced, and expert collectors. Topics are intended to cover all aspects and types of bottle collecting. To include trials, tribulations, evaluating, identifying, researching, appraisals, and much more.

We are also currently working extra hard towards supporting, and giving well deserved recognition to all new and upcoming student artists of "Very Modern" inside painted bottles.

Photobucket

Among other things, donations help keep the forum free from Google type advertisements, and also make it possible to purchases additional photo hosting MB space.

Forum Bottle in the Spotlight

Adrain shared this beautiful Ye Zhongsan smokey rock crystal bottle

Photobucket

Photobucket

Gotheborg's Marks On Chinese Porcelain

Photobucket

Snuff Bottle Collector

The International Chinese Snuff Bottle Society


Chinese Snuff Bottle Discussion Forum 中國鼻煙壺討論論壇
August 23, 2017, 10:17:31 pm
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
 
  Home Help Search Downloads Gallery Staff List Login Register  

Crystal Clear

Pages: 1 ... 10 11 [12] 13
  Add poll  |  Print  
Author Topic: Crystal Clear  (Read 3488 times)
Joey
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 8272


View Profile
« Reply #220 on: July 29, 2016, 05:04:45 am »

Dear YT,

     You are right. But that was a 'Justicial' auction, run on behalf of the French State, and the commission plus tax was just over 1/2 of that of a regular private auction.
Best,
Joey


Dear Tom,

Yours is a nice example of a crystal. Does this group all come in a certain size and height?

I have an amethyst very well hollowed and has inclusions on it's base and on one of the side. Is it also from this group?  7cm height

Cheers,
YT

Just saw Joey's response. The recent Paris auction had a very reasonable commission.  Wink
Report Spam   Logged

Joey Silver, collecting snuff bottles since Feb.1970

Wattana
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 4931



View Profile
« Reply #221 on: July 29, 2016, 05:18:11 am »


Does this group all come in a certain size and height?

I have an amethyst very well hollowed and has inclusions on it's base and on one of the side. Is it also from this group?  7cm height


Dear YT,

The amethyst bottle you just posted is very attractive, and definitely part of this group! Look at the way the bare trees and the pine branches are carved. They may even be by the same hand.

There is no set height for this group. But I have never seen one to be under 6cm tall. Most are between 6.4cm and 7.2cm.

All best,
Tom
Report Spam   Logged

Tom
Collecting since 1972

George
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 8285



View Profile WWW
« Reply #222 on: July 29, 2016, 09:24:44 pm »



That is an outstanding bottle.

Outstanding !
Report Spam   Logged

joearp
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Female
Posts: 596


View Profile
« Reply #223 on: July 31, 2016, 04:09:27 pm »

Beautiful!
Report Spam   Logged

forestman
Private Boards
Sr. Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 381


View Profile
« Reply #224 on: August 11, 2017, 07:05:50 am »

Adding a recent purchase to this thread.

A rock crystal "fingerling" bottle. Height is 75mm and it is of slightly flattened form with a flat oval footrim. The spoon is possibly bone and the stopper is coral with a jade ? finial and glass ? collar. It is very well hollowed.

Regards, Adrian.


* P8090626.jpg (46.8 KB, 352x850 - viewed 26 times.)

* P8090627.jpg (62.02 KB, 622x850 - viewed 16 times.)

* P8090628.jpg (70.06 KB, 604x850 - viewed 18 times.)
« Last Edit: August 11, 2017, 07:07:37 am by forestman » Report Spam   Logged

Joey
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 8272


View Profile
« Reply #225 on: August 11, 2017, 07:43:02 am »

Dear Adrian,

     GORGEOUS BOTTLE! So elegant, and so 'Shibui'.
Thank you for posting it.
Best,
Shabbat Shalom,
Joey
Report Spam   Logged

Joey Silver, collecting snuff bottles since Feb.1970

George
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 8285



View Profile WWW
« Reply #226 on: August 11, 2017, 12:36:57 pm »

Beautiful and as Joey describes, very elegant !
Report Spam   Logged

NE collector
Jr. Member
**
Gender: Female
Posts: 97

Woman of the West, with Eyes on the East


View Profile
« Reply #227 on: August 11, 2017, 04:00:07 pm »

Hi Adrian,

What a lovely bottle! Rock crystal is a favorite of mine and this one is outstanding. So Very sleek and elegant.

Good for you!

Best regards,

Toni-Lee
Report Spam   Logged

Toni-Lee

joearp
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Female
Posts: 596


View Profile
« Reply #228 on: August 11, 2017, 07:02:52 pm »

Wow. Quite a beauty!
Report Spam   Logged

Wattana
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 4931



View Profile
« Reply #229 on: August 11, 2017, 07:13:09 pm »

Very elegant bottle Adrian.
A great example of 'shibui' indeed!

Tom
Report Spam   Logged

Tom
Collecting since 1972

forestman
Private Boards
Sr. Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 381


View Profile
« Reply #230 on: August 12, 2017, 01:10:51 am »

Thank you all for your comments. It was one of those happy "Buy it now" moments on ebay when it had just been listed and already had a number of people watching it.

Regards, Adrian.
Report Spam   Logged

Fiveroosters
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 2731



View Profile
« Reply #231 on: August 12, 2017, 01:19:37 am »

Very nice dear Adrian, you have been there at the right time!
Giovanni
Report Spam   Logged

Rube
Full Member
***
Posts: 184


View Profile
« Reply #232 on: August 12, 2017, 08:45:47 am »

Nice one Adrian!
It's funny I just came across this amazing thread last weekend and read through its entirety. Im glad you're keeping it alive and I'll follow suit soon.
And Joey, I love learning new words!
Cheers,
Rube
Report Spam   Logged

Rube, 4th Generation Collector
AntPeople
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 788



View Profile WWW
« Reply #233 on: August 12, 2017, 09:26:02 am »

Nice.... the foot rim is very well made ... congratulations

Pin
Report Spam   Logged

五花馬,千金裘。呼兒將出換美酒,與爾同銷萬古愁。

http://www.chinese-snuff-bottle.com

Joey
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 8272


View Profile
« Reply #234 on: August 12, 2017, 11:46:58 am »

Dear Rube,

    I assume you are referring to 'Shibui'. The late great collector, Patricia Miller of Honolulu, Patty to her friends [and we were legion!  Grin], taught me to use this Japanese term to describe simple, elegant, but very sophisticated wares.
Best,
Shabbat Shalom,
Joey
Report Spam   Logged

Joey Silver, collecting snuff bottles since Feb.1970

Rube
Full Member
***
Posts: 184


View Profile
« Reply #235 on: August 14, 2017, 08:12:24 am »

Hi Everyone,

I read through this entire thread about a week ago, and was blown away by all the bottles.  Tom, thanks for starting this  as your examples are wonderful!  And Adrian, as so often is the case, I seem to be following your lead, and will share another.

I'm calling this a dark crystal bottle of flattened globular form (is this correct terminology?)  sitting on an recessed oval foot rim.  The mouth is slightly concave and the bottle appears well hollowed, and the gilt metal stopper with red glass resembles a chrysanthemum, which may be original to the bottle. I especially like how the carver utilized the natural inclusions of the crystal to shape the bamboo and chrysanthemum.  Bottle w/o stopper measures 5.6 cm.  As always, any help with dating this bottle is greatly appreciated!

Cheers,
Rube.


* FullSizeRender dark crystal 1.jpg (94.87 KB, 480x640 - viewed 15 times.)

* FullSizeRender dark crystal 2.jpg (97.88 KB, 480x640 - viewed 11 times.)

* FullSizeRender dark crystal 3.jpg (96.19 KB, 480x640 - viewed 13 times.)

* FullSizeRender dark crystal 4.jpg (90.06 KB, 480x640 - viewed 9 times.)

* FullSizeRender dark crystal 5.jpg (105.52 KB, 480x640 - viewed 13 times.)
« Last Edit: August 14, 2017, 08:14:08 am by Rube » Report Spam   Logged

Rube, 4th Generation Collector
Wattana
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 4931



View Profile
« Reply #236 on: August 14, 2017, 09:26:00 am »

Hi Rube (or 4G collector!!),

If you return to the bottle in this link you will see very similar use of the natural wispy opaque inclusions:

http://snuffbottle.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,1842.0/msg,41986.html

While your bottle was perhaps not produced by the same workshop or "school", it is in my opinion of similar period. The interior hollowing appears to closely follow the exterior profile, the carving is delicately executed, the mouth/lip is acceptable, and attention has been paid to detailing of the foot rim (often not so on later examples).

The stopper is interesting, and sets the bottle off well. As to its being original, that's anyone's guess.

Thanks for sharing (and thanks for the compliment!).

Tom

PS: Your description is good, but to be more concise I would re-phrase the description of the foot as "....sitting on an oval foot rim surrounding a recessed (flat/convex?) base". 
« Last Edit: August 14, 2017, 09:32:57 am by Wattana » Report Spam   Logged

Tom
Collecting since 1972

Joey
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 8272


View Profile
« Reply #237 on: August 14, 2017, 03:57:27 pm »

Dear Rube (4-G sound like a cell.phone!  Shocked),

    I agree with Tom as to dating, and also whether the stopper is 'original'. That is a loaded term. It was not made in the same workshop as the bottle, but stoppers were not usually made in the same workshop as the bottles.

    One would buy or commission a bottle, then take it to the shops selling stoppers, buy a spoon from another place, and then have the stopper seller get the stopper, spoon and cork (or thinly-cut wrapped cork, or possibly thinly-cut wrapped leather) put together. And this was all after the buyer had commissioned a special padded box for his new treasure.
Best,
Joey
Report Spam   Logged

Joey Silver, collecting snuff bottles since Feb.1970

forestman
Private Boards
Sr. Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 381


View Profile
« Reply #238 on: August 15, 2017, 01:50:41 am »

Hi Rube,

Nice bottle and good to have all these similar bottles grouped together.

I may go with a micro incised ivory bottle next so you are pre warned if you want to follow that one  Wink

I think forth generation collector trumps everyone here so should be a proud sign off to any post you make.

Regards, Adrian.
Report Spam   Logged

Joey
Private Boards
Hero Member
***
Gender: Male
Posts: 8272


View Profile
« Reply #239 on: August 15, 2017, 03:04:14 am »

Dear Adrian,

     I have 2 'snowflake' questions for you.
1. What if someone has decided that he's the re-incarnation of the Qianlong Emperor, and therefore the source of many of our best bottles?
2. What if some woman who knows basically nothing about snuff bottles, feels she can 'channel' the Dowager Empress Cixi?

  Would they trump 'Fourth Generation Collector'?   Shocked Roll Eyes Grin
Best,
Joey
Report Spam   Logged

Joey Silver, collecting snuff bottles since Feb.1970

Pages: 1 ... 10 11 [12] 13
  Add poll  |  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by EzPortal