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December 12, 2018, 11:43:12 am
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« Reply #280 on: October 17, 2017, 05:07:10 am »

Adrian and Joey,
That's great that you've made your own spoons! I've a piece of whale tooth that I bought in Maine, and have toyed with the idea of making one. Thanks for the info about the possible sources. Wherever it came from, I'm glad to have it!
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« Reply #281 on: October 17, 2017, 06:01:58 am »

Dear Rube,
 
     I still think it is by Bob Snively, but I wanted to give you all possible sources.

     Giving a few whacks with a hammer on soft wire, then sanding the edges and tapping the stem to harden it, is NOT the equivalent to Bob Snively carefully and labouriously carving and drilling and polishing his ivory spoons.
I probably should not have added my output to the discussion.

     I put a lot more effort into my Hornbill Beak and Hornbill snuff bottles.
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« Reply #282 on: December 01, 2017, 11:39:00 am »

An new addition to my growing collection.

Rock crystal carved with raised concave panels on all four sides, flat mouth and a concave foot. Jadeite stopper and white metal/silver spoon. Well and very smoothly hollowed but not internally polished. Height is 52mm. Some nibbles here and there.

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« Reply #283 on: December 01, 2017, 12:04:04 pm »

Nice Adrian,

And a dandy spoon too!

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« Reply #284 on: December 01, 2017, 04:05:48 pm »

Really nice Adrain ! And as Rube said, dandy spoon !

I love these snuff bottles with the integrated dishes.

Congrats ! 
 
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« Reply #285 on: December 01, 2017, 04:12:47 pm »

Dear Adrian,

     The reason it is not polished on the interior could be that it was made to be painted on the inside, or that it had been polished and had been roughened in order to be painted to order;
but for whatever reason, was NOT painted.

     The stopper looks like a really nice green & white Jadeite cabochon mounted in a metal bezel; is it?
     I ask because I once bought a bottle with a stopper which looked very similar (though it was domed, not flat, on top), and it turned out to be plastic with metal foil and a bit of paint inside!
And it was an old bottle, too. 
    Best,
Shabbat Shalom,
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« Reply #286 on: December 01, 2017, 04:35:40 pm »

Dear Joey,

The stopper is jadeite with a metal bezel. I seem to have a few good jadeite stoppers and even had a spare one with a good ivory spoon which fits the Yan Yutian nicely.

It does look like it may have been prepared for painting and I wonder if it may have been passed over for painting as the convex panels, especially the side ones, would distort the painting too much.

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« Reply #287 on: December 02, 2017, 04:00:16 am »

Dear Adrian,

     Wonderful! I thought it was Jadeite, but felt I should ask. All the fake ones are 'domed' rather than flat on top.

      I would not put a spoon in a good IPSB for 2 reasons:
1. It could scratch the paint
2. It wrecks the fantasy of viewing a genuine landscape if there is a huge object [in relation to the picture], cutting through the view.
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« Reply #288 on: December 04, 2017, 12:37:22 am »

Nice bottle Adrian.
And as already mentioned, a wonderful old stopper with a silver 'shovel'.  I have one old bottle with exactly the same type of spoon.......obviously designed for snuffers with a LARGE appetite.

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« Reply #289 on: December 14, 2017, 09:52:45 am »

Dear Adrian,

Natural crystal is appealing. I believe your bottle was prepared for inside painting which was never done.

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« Reply #290 on: May 31, 2018, 04:40:45 am »

This is the other bottle that was in the lot with the amber basketweave bottle and as with that bottle this one was described as glass but I think it is a smoky crystal.

There are a few bottles of this type that seem to be considered Imperial and a picture of one is included and all vary slightly in detail. The Blotch collection has an agate example the same height and mouth opening as this one but theirs is inscribed with a poem and has a Qianlong nian zhi mark. Another inscribed one with a different Qianlong mark was sold in Hong Kong in 1994. Another sold in Hong Kong in 2014 which was again inscribed, 3mm higher and in a yellower agate with a Qianlong Yuzhi mark. The picture I have included is from the Hildegard Schonfeild collection and is glass imitating aquamarine and is unmarked and not inscribed and has a matching stopper but doesn't have flower heads on the neck as does mine and the other 3 examples mentioned.

Smoky quartz, very well hollowed with a flat lip and raised circular footrim. Carved with 8 vertical lobes framed by a band of formalised lappets at the base and of formalised lingzhi heads around the shoulders with 3 raised knobs beneath each to represent hanging jewels, the neck with a band of formalised flower-heads. Height 54mm, mouth opening 5.2mm.

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« Reply #291 on: May 31, 2018, 06:07:06 am »

Adrian,
Congratulations......once again!
This bottle looks superb. And you have researched it well. Whether or not it belongs to the 'imperial' league depends to some extent on the stone being blemish-free, and on the quality of the finishing, both inside and out; not to be confused with the extent of hollowing, which may be intentionally limited so as to retain the deep smoky tone.

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Tom
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« Reply #292 on: May 31, 2018, 07:13:39 am »

Thanks Tom.

I will add an amendment to my description as I said there were raised knobs representing hanging jewels. In the case of my bottle they are indented not raised and have been alternatively described as representing beaded tassels.

Leaving them raised would have been harder to achieve so my bottle is a step down quality wise.

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« Reply #293 on: May 31, 2018, 07:21:30 am »

Hi Adrian,

That may be a deal-breaker. Most of the examples I have come across bearing imperial attribution have raised dots, rather like Braille.  But let's see what Joey has to say.

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« Reply #294 on: May 31, 2018, 08:00:12 am »

Hi Tom,

The Blotch one has raised dots. One sold in Hong Kong 2014 from a Distinguished American Collection has what seem to be indented dots. The one sold in Hong Kong 1994 looks to be indented but they are joined, rather like links in a chain as opposed to separate spaced dots. I only have parts 1 and 4 of the J and J collection so can't comment on the one in their collection.

At 250 hammer price for this and the amber bottle I won't be crying too hard if it's not Imperial  Wink

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« Reply #295 on: May 31, 2018, 09:06:30 am »

Dear Adrian ( and Tom) et al,

   Warm  Regards from Toronto.
Another superb bottle, and I would give it an Imperial attribution, the dots being indented rather than raised, notwithstanding.

   I helped Hilde get her Aquamarine glass from the Martin Schoen collection.

By the way, is the attribution here and in other places, to Blotch rather than Bloch, intentional and humorous, or a recurring typo?   
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By the way, is the attribution here and in other places, to Blotch rather than Bloch, intentional and humorous, or a recurring typo?   

Dear Joey,

I was wondering when you were going to comment on that...!    Grin

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« Reply #297 on: May 31, 2018, 12:54:19 pm »

Dear Joey,

Reference Blotch/Bloch, I'm saying nothing  Grin

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« Reply #298 on: June 04, 2018, 06:26:06 pm »

Dear Adrian,

     Monica Bloch is supposed to be attending the Liverpool meeting.
Apropos Bloch/Blotch...  Shocked Grin
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« Reply #299 on: August 14, 2018, 09:33:48 am »

Tom and All,

I love this thread and would like to add another bottle:

It is a fairly well hollowed smoky crystal bottle measuring 2 5/16" w/o glass stopper, and has a slightly concave lip, and a raised foot with a flat slightly recessed base. Because of the flatter base, am I to assume a later dating?

Cheers,

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